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23 Jan 2015 13:15:22
Saw on ssn that Massimo Cellino unable to be Leeds Utd chairman due to one charge/conviction of tax evasion in Italy. So how does Dave King think he will be ok with over 40 charges and a new ongoing investigation? He had to pay over $44million to avoid jail 1st time round! Surely can't remove one crook and install another. Douglas Park and his 3 bears group must be the way ahead. When Celtic had their own board troubles their was one fan group (Celts for change) and one man to back (Fergus McCann). Really think that's what's needed here. One combined fan group all pulling in the same direction and backing one bid, 3 bears.

mo89

1.) King is not a crook. A difference of opinion maybe on tax liability but he has most certainly settled and has no such further investigations hanging over him. You're obviously not a Rangers fan or have some other agenda going on.


2.) Mo89

Get your facts straight please King agreed to pay 44million to SA Taxman and it is case over. He then explained in a clear and intelligent manner why he will not be seeking a review of that figure of 44million as he is not affected by the latest SA authorities looking into the monitoring of several tax cases he was not affected by that, simple

So when you say Massimo is CONVICTED of TAX EVASION you have actually answered your own post

Try knowing what you are talking about I find it helps

i am george

{Ed039's Note - FFS George, King was convicted of tax evasion and fraud, over 40 counts of it. You need to firm up your information, this is the second time I have had to tell you this today! He didnt just pay £44m and the charges went away, he came to a deal, pleaded guilty, was convicted and the deal was he paid the money or went to jail for a long time. So King has over 40 convictions for different charges relating to his long running tax dilemma with the South African authorities so you need to get youself right before slagging off other posters)


3.) 23 Jan 2015 14:58:25
Gents, perhaps I can shed some light. Leeds are the English FA's problem, King is the SFA's different associations, different way of dealing with fit and proper person test. In scotland it is the club who self certify King as fit and proper person, so in the event of anything which happens as a result of the persons dealings within that club and it is found they were not fit and proper the club is punished and not the man. Its self policing for the clubs. All the current board nonsense about King may not be a fit an proper person is unsubstanciated. If the EGM goes Oasis Assests (Kings) way King will take his seat on the board. The SFA may seek information from the club over why King has been deemed fit an proper it will be then that they will get involved. What King is saying is he is confident that due to fact the SARS case is settled, that he has never been banned from directing a company, no is he presently banned in the UK that there is no reason to find him not fit an proper. And he had a point!


4.) Sorry ED I did mean to define that as he is not a JAILBIRD like easdale there is a huge difference between the two, but I take your point I will try to be more specific in relation to King from now on

i am george

{Ed039's Note - In this thread we were actually talking about Cellino who didnt go to jail either, he was fined £600,000 and didnt do any jail time. The King thing is something that needs to be transparent as he has paid alot more in "fines" and has alot more convictions than any of these people we have mentioned, despite this he has my backing but it needs to be made clear exactly what King has done and his punishment for it)


5.) ED plus it is a banter site I might say some critical comments to wind up other posters but I always thought that was the best thing about this site prior to the last few years boardroom s**te :-) slagging off is all part of banter isn't it lolol, so stop slagging me off right (joke) ;-)

{Ed039's Note - Banter is, and when/if we are back on an even footing then it might be a little more loose but right now folk are tense, so replying to somone as "diddy poster" for example causes more arguments than it is worth)


6.) Well said Ed. Just because he made a deal with questionable authorities does not take away the facts that he is a dodgy car dealer for want of a better expression. Like I have said, I don't trust him or any others. At leas the yank comes across as a straight talking businessman (as they do). At least no track record of criminal activities.


7.) 23 Jan 2015 15:26:20
Geo, Dave agreed a price to pay for his charges, he always denied he owed what they said, he believed he only owe around 4mill, they said hundreds of millions, he basically won his case but he was convicted, there is now a case involving the actual investigation office, they may be criminal charges brought, one of kings biggest customer is apparently the very same s/African govt who charged him, to answer the o/p, Dave King is already a director on a couple of major company in S/A, and probably owns a few, he wouldn't conceivably do this without his legal people being involved, IMO, I also suspect he may have already been in touch with the power that be in Scotland, in essence Dave King believed he was innocent in his case, that's why he refused to pay, he is exceptionally rich and is a godsend to Rangers, if he wins, he may not have quite the wealth of fatty but we don't need that, let's just pray that Dave wins and the bears will surely join him, yours thoughts ed pls


8.) Ed?

You are quite right on your position with King. He has evaded tax and laundered money, which is a very serious offence whichever country you are in, however, as I have previously stated, SARS are now under investigation for illegally obtaining information to charge and criminalise King (and others), who has stated that he is very confident that all charges will be dropped, and If the charges are dropped he has a better case to face down the SFA.

{Ed039's Note - He has actually said that his case is not one under investigation and he has no interest in pursuing to have his case reopened)


9.) 23 Jan 2015 17:17:49
ed, u may be rite, altho I think his case was one of the cases involved DK says he won't be appealing, also he was a victim of Murray the rat, Dave King handed Rangers over 20 million quid remember, some seem to forget, that small fact, along with Joe Lewis he invested in the scurrilous Murrays plans for Rangers, the guy is trying to save Rangers for the Rangers fans, and still people question him? How many people are able to save us? Most of the people who post don't mind getting cheap baccy fae the pub, or a wee turn fae shoplifters, but scream on their keypads about Dave King, he fought and wonlost whatever way you see it we need to back him totally now
Tommy

{Ed039's Note - Tommy, I have said that I am behind King, and I am fully behind him, its just the point has to be made of his past as there are many folk who believe that he bought his way out of conviction in SA which is just not true. All he did was buy his way out of jail time. And hey, in the past I have put my order in for frozen bacon from the pub traders :-)


10.) Ed?

This a an excerpt from yesterday's Belfast Telegraph regarding Dave King and SARS >

. . . . It is understood that he is confident he will be free to join the plc board of Rangers after receiving a letter from SARS chiefs which declares he is not disqualified from serving as a company director.

And King insists he is now ready to commit to the fight for control at Rangers.

He said in a statement: "I am named as one of the business people who was spied on by the South African Revenue Services unit.

"If SARS obtained information unlawfully then I could apply to have my settlement set aside. According to my advice that is the correct legal position.

"My business interests have performed very strongly post-settlement. I am also able to enjoy my role as executive chairman of a public company without the integrity issues that previously dogged me.

"I also now have sufficient time and resources to invest in getting Rangers back on track. "

{Ed039's Note - In same statement he also said that even if he was spied upon then he still would not look to have his conviction reversed)


11.) 23 Jan 2015 18:18:26
King does not want his case investigated because he got a result with what he paid back,let's be honest.Even the worst cr**ks draw the line somewhere,for King IF he was a cr**k,that line would be Rangers.


12.) ED (?)

Thought you had more savvy than that.

If South African authorities are investigating illegal activities by SARS, including Dave King's taxes and money interests, then Dave King would not be required to appeal or do anything, that would not be his to do.

{Ed039's Note - What are you talking about, are we on 2 different subjects here?)


13.) Mo89 see what you've started enjoyed this post so much I've read it twice great responses
I am George and Ed 039 brilliant and yes we are all a bit tence the now but we need to keep it together, Ed 039 you must see some drivel being posted every day keep up the good work WATP

{Ed039's Note - Not so much drivel these days, just need to be careful, I dont want arguments amongst posters but these days its very easy)


14.) Ed (?)

I thought we where talking about Dave King and whether he was fit for purpose

I have pointed out that the South African authorities are investigating SARS over illegal activities regarding their methods for obtaining information about Dave King' taxes and financials.
If, and it is a big if, the SA authorities find that it was an illegal investigation then ALL charges, fines, cautions and evictions are null and void.
Dave King has stated that if the investigation is found illegal then he could apply to have his settlement set aside. I am saying that he does not have to, because the SA authorities would automatically do so.

{Ed039's Note - Yes, and in his statement he also said that even if illegal means were used in his case he would not appeal as he is happy with the settlement met and believes there is no further investigation into his case)


15.) Ed more to the point did you get the bacon shhhh lol.

{Ed039's Note - of course, the guys in my local had skills)


16.) 24 Jan 2015 03:02:42
Frozen bacon?? peasant!


17.) Ed (?)

I do not mean to sound pedantic, but again you miss the point!

King does not have to do anything at all!

If SARS have been found to have obtained their information by illegal means then all charges and convictions will be dropped. I think King is talking about him charging them, which he says he does not want to do.


18.) Royal blue the SARS mob are his biggest customers, seriously mate, so no wonder he wouldn't want to charge them, probably send the all on a holiday, all expenses paid lol.


 

 

23 Jan 2015 13:06:50
Fernando Ricksen game:
I think under the circumstances would be nice if Ibrox was full, but the game should be about Fernando, nothing more. No board protests. Nothing about whether McCoist is there or not (it's not about him)
Also well done to Celtic for their contribution for Fernando and Motor Neurone Disease Scotland.

mo89

1.) 23 Jan 2015 15:32:49
I never knew sellik had donated money, if they did then hats of to them, how did it become public, I haven't seen anything? Their board run a tight ship, ours run a sinking ship,


2.) 23 Jan 2015 17:48:12
Tommy: Celtic have close ties to that charity through wee Jimmy Johnstones family.A good turn like that always ends up public knowledge.


3.) 24 Jan 2015 03:07:19
Gkk Yip I had the pleasure of drinking with Jinky til 5am in Yogis pub, which was our local at the time, a wonderful wee guy, not the one in c, bridge, I hasten to add, I hope Ibrox is jumping on sunday, god bless you nando


 

 

 

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23 Jan 2015 12:55:39
Butcher still on gardening leave from Hibs so that would need to be paid, that's why he couldn't take Motherwell job.

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Publicity stunt? He resigns but stays in charge? And if he has resigned, or offered to, why does the club have to pay him anything, as has been reported (From BBC "The 52-year-old has a 12-month rolling contract with the Glasgow club, who are refusing to comment at present. ") And as Ally doesn't do walking away. but now is. what made him do it? What news is around the corner that made him walk?

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Greek billionaire? Craigos Whytos by any chance?

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Police advice not to attend game for their own safety, that wasnt s***e! Not remember the scenes before and after the Hearts game? Not saying don't have plenty to be angry about. but def going about things the wrong way. Non violent protests, no threats, simply starve the club and board dry! Boycott all games, boycott Ashley products, one supporters group and throw weight behind 3 bears.

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I am george, question. If as you say half the players go after 5th?March. who plays? Stuck with the squad till the summer even if Roman Abromovich steps in! And the current squad are not good enough by half! So lay off wee bill and have a look at yourself.

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Excellent post mate, though can only think reply from Tommie means he's had few too many xmas sherries! Yet again targeting SFA for Rangers problems! SFA are quite right to deny Ashley, the agreement was there and was designed as aid to Rangers to help. To agree to not hold more than 10$ then turn round and want more. moronic! And please, spare me this conspiracy about other clubs keeping Rangers down. Rangers are keeping themselves down. And David Murray?!? The guy who bragged about the millions he spent? Every fiver I'll spend a tenner. of the banks money not his! Rangers need a clearout from top to bottom. and if it means staying down or whatever it takes. it has to happen, to cleanse the club once and for all.

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Well said kfraser. Better yet, anyone remember the Canadian guy who wanted in at the very start? What was his name? Bill Miller? A guy chased off by abuse from fans after a feeding frenzy to the media, fed no doubt but Green. Appears to me that it's funny how Whyte's bid was picked, how his choice of administrators were picked, how Green got in, how Easdales got in, how Ashley got in. And so it continues. I say, well done SFA for denying Ashley more shares. I don't trust Dave King an inch, don't get me wrong, but there must be someone out there who has clubs best interests at heart and is honest!

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Protest against the SFA?!? Why? Is this the same SFA who broke their own rules to grant Rangers a licence? Same SFA who broke their own rules to allow Ashley to own shares in Rangers? The footballing authorities have bent over backwards to assist Rangers over recent years and still getting it in the neck from mis-guided mugs such as you instead of going after the real villains!
Try going after the board, including convicted crook, Dave King, another crook, Ally McCoist, criminal football manager! There hasn't been an honest person in charge at Rangers board level since pre David Murray!

mo89

{Ed039's Note - The SFA did not break their own rules to allow Ashley to own shares in Rangers, they have an article which states that dual ownership is allowed with prior written consent, this has been done so I dont see where the rule break is there? They also did not break any rules to grant Rangers a licence as they were ill prepared for such a scenario like the Rangers one)


 

 





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