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23 May 2018 20:22:59
Rangers have a good case against the SFA they should win because remember mr green bought rangers old co assets rangers old co is currently in liquidation which means sevo5088 actually own the club now so the SFA are chasing a club defunct so logically that means sevco5088 cannot be reasonable for rangers old co debts or fines it's a no brainer it's a new company that changed it's i'd SO we can walk away from all fines and carry on our merry way remember it suits Celtic to call rangers a new club but when rangers owe money they want us to pay? That's ludicrous!

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23 May 2018 20:45:28
And. breathe!

Just a bit of punctuation would help.

24 May 2018 10:09:35
To be fair, Baldy, those who have been in charge of the club from Green to the present have happily played on that grey area too. The good parts of the history are ours, but the bad parts lie with oldco.

24 May 2018 10:16:40
So Baldy70 you are claiming that the SFA are chasing a defunct club - I thought you were the same club but different company?
I also though it was common knowledge that in order to gain entry into the league system the NEWCO had to honour all football related debts.?
But hey, a leopard never changes its spots - so why not just walk away from the debts!

24 May 2018 14:56:14
Baldy, if you check, you'll find that it is actually against SFA/ UEFA rules for a club to take their parent FA to court and doing it gets you banned by them.

22 May 2018 23:05:59
Great to hear all the names and transfer fees that are being banded about, however I feel I must refer back to a previous post I have made concerning investment in our great longstanding club, many who said I have no idea what I'm talking about are right in the heart of many rumours, I ask you directly, if there is no investment ( which I believe is still coming) how shall we pay for all these fees and wages if ( as I believe and reported) there is no investment?

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23 May 2018 06:03:42
Loyalist, unless you are on the board there is no need for you to worry about such things.
DK has said money will be available to support SG. end of!

23 May 2018 09:19:19
The same D King who is still trying to get a British Bank account. Oh that D King

23 May 2018 10:19:35
ION, that would be the same D King who has risked a hell of a lot of his own cash on buying shares and keeping us afloat!

Yes, that DK

BTW, he has demonstrated that he is a rangers fan. can’t say the same about you

23 May 2018 10:27:47
IOM. You wouldn't believe the difficulty of trying to put millions in a British bank account. It must be almost impossible if Honest Dave is having problems trying to do so.

23 May 2018 12:05:00
DK17 let's have a competition
You name one of stories that are true and I will name one of his lies
I will start Nomad in 48 hours
Your turn

23 May 2018 14:14:29
Iom try once to be positive, tims love how you run our great club down. We support our club through good and bad try it

23 May 2018 15:14:55
Sorry IOM, I’m not really into playground games.

For me DK is delivering on his 5 year plan. you choose to pick out the negatives only.

Do I think DK is perfect? Nope, but until a white knight starts knocking on our door with a bigger cheque and bigger balls then I choose to put my support behind him.

Each to their own

23 May 2018 16:46:37
Isle of Mull, what username (s) have you previously used?

23 May 2018 18:26:47
I'm one of the enermy on here because I don't believe every word D King says. I'm only highlight the negatives yes in D King. Its said I am only negative so Tim's can get a laugh, rubbish. Think back to when he came in Nomad, share issue, family fortune of £30-50m that was day one. As long as this man is at my club (yes my club) I will keep looking into his statements. Yes I agree with 99% of bears about SG wonderful business let's hope D K gives him the tools to get the job done and he's not been sold pup by the SA businessman. Cuillen 72 can I you the same question and what does it matter, will you look over my old post to see the % of positive post against negative ones.

23 May 2018 18:28:23
DK17 agree totally with you

23 May 2018 20:11:47
Well jboy 17 I'm shocked and stunned your backing DK17 against me. Oh by the way you have 50,000 shares have you heard anything from mr King.

24 May 2018 09:39:36
Not backing anyone, say what I think.
Nothing heard re shares, not selling anyway

24 May 2018 18:20:33
Thanks for your honest answer jboy
Hope you can see my point about your shares cause if D King has not got a British Bank account to finance share buy up verdict of the TOP. How will he get money into the country to finance SG attemp at 55.

24 May 2018 20:41:43
IOM

You seem to have concluded that DK is personally responsible for financing Rangers. He is not the owner and has 14% of the club so has 14% of the control. I do accept that the DK and 3 bears concert party do control the direction of the club but they are still restricted in what they can do. Surely you can see that the man has put at least 12-15m in to Rangers this time round with all of it at risk if he fails to get a massive share issue through at some point. He has no secured loan arrangement and if you think of the £20m he lost before and the man is getting a hard time.

Most of us are season tickets who are prepared to risk £500 and some meaningless throw away opinion. He has much more at stake than we do. DK is taking the personal risk (whether personal or trust money) and he deserves the reward or loss and at least some recognition

24 May 2018 22:25:00
50000 shares if bought at start would have cost £35k why would anybody sell for 10k . Hence y I won't be selling . Only ones interested in selling should be the penny share holders.

25 May 2018 06:08:46
Mols can't agree with your £12-15m this time round, can you give us a breakdown of your figures. On the £20m he lost before I would say S. African court papers show he received back over £18m of that amount. Remember he was on the creditor list at first but was dropped from it.

22 May 2018 16:35:22
Not being negative honest 😂
Anyone heard anything about the share issue or more important D. KING getting a British Bank account to make his rands into pounds, which is need to be done before a share issue can take place.

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16 May 2018 15:34:52
As I have been namechecked by a few posters on here I thought I would reply to all in this post.
Regarding the SFA charge, do you all realise that it is not a "Tim conspiracy by Lawwell" but problems caused by firstly SFA people (and former Rangers men) Andrew Dickson and Campbell Ogilvie in omitting evidence regarding the "Wee Tax Case" monies owed. Then last year in court, Rangers directors ADMITTED lying to the SFA, the club had a moral duty to tell the truth, hence these charges.

I do not anticipate anything other than a fine for this 2011 transgression, but your club should be worried about THIS year's EURO licence because your club does not meet FFP rules. Again the likely scenario is UEFA allow your club entry this season but monitor you for next season, another big problem could also come from any european club you play who have the right to contest your eligibility for playing in european tournaments, this could lead to a ban also.

In summary your club has a lot of "hoops to jump through" (pun intended) and that is not even taking into account the TAP presently going through the courts.

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16 May 2018 15:47:51
Tim. I'm more worried about the time and effort you have but into that post. Think you guys need to relax a little. Your starting to almost sound worried. Lol

16 May 2018 21:47:02
if we didn’t meet the ffp we wouldn’t get the license so we’ll file that under bs and again tap has got nothing to do with the club it’s with dk so away and play tig way the buses

16 May 2018 22:15:23
Timalloy, #OBSSESED Way Glasgow Rangers 😀🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

16 May 2018 20:58:11
Tim are we a new club or old club for the sake of this SFA investigation, what argument suits you this time?
And while I have your attention you posted some nonsense about scaffolding and roofs at Ibrox, where do you get all this nonsense from, someone who’s mad with three names maybe?

16 May 2018 21:01:09
Timalloy are you phil mcgonna go away and stop talking rubbish tim in disguise?

17 May 2018 00:01:52
Timalloy can you explain how you know we won't pass for. Clubs are allowed to run at a loss. Directors are allowed to invest or subsidise club bills by up to 22 million pounds over a 3 year period. Do you actually know anything about ffp?

17 May 2018 06:53:49
Hey Timalloy there will be a few hoops getting brought up in Glasgow in June alright 👍

17 May 2018 19:11:40
timalloy of course it has to do with lawell and co he is noticing we have got a new manager and are starting to sign quality players so the wee team from the east end starting crying to the sfa that big bad rangers are getting stronger and will beat us next season so please sfa try and put them down again
anyway rangers were found not guilty by the sfa for the same charge so you cannot be charged for the same crime twice so it is just a ploy by you lot to try and stir up some shi* and I will bet you nothing will come out of this because rangers lawyers with tie that corrupt lot in knots
anyway you sleeping alright at nights and hope your not worrying about us coming to get you

19 May 2018 12:34:33
True-blue. You actually can be tried for a charge twice now under double jeapordy. Just ask Angus Sinclair, who got away with murder but was found guilty the 2nd time.

15 May 2018 16:34:59
SFA charge the club with us getting the UEFA License in 2010? Don't know how the hell they can charge us 7 years later with Craig Whyte in charge? Big Liewell is obviously in and about this 😡🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.

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15 May 2018 18:03:42
Charging us in a case they already found us not guilty

15 May 2018 18:47:49
Also mark guidi stating UEFA can't take action as time barred after five years

15 May 2018 21:11:02
So we are the same club when it suits them lol

15 May 2018 21:53:51
My take on this- It was proved in court that Murray and the board knew we owed the money to the tax man for the wee tax case but told the SFA it was in dispute. That was not the case Murray was desperate and pulled the wool over the SFA eyes. In saying we are the same club if proved guilty we will need to face the fine. We can't have it all ways 'it was the old board/ company / club'. We accepted all the old board liabilities to get the licence. It will probably be a fine of 50 or 60k

16 May 2018 11:26:29
Hope u r right about size of fine. I see sfa going in about 200 k

16 May 2018 13:57:01
I'm more interested in the SFAs role in this- Are they a bunch of corrupt individuals and if so they should all get the bag. Its not fit for purpose

16 May 2018 15:27:45
@IoM - for once I agree with you! The club needs to face up to misdemeanours from previous regimes.
I also believe the SFA have played a blinder. By charging Rangers they have sent out a statement we are still the same club meaning 6 years of moon howling from the unwashed has been fruitless.

16 May 2018 21:49:59
What ever they want to fine us can come out the league money from that season that we never received

16 May 2018 23:51:13
@Union Jack: That being the case ( Rangers being the same club) and you can hold onto your titles, and yes you do know what's coming.
Rangers can then be held accountable for ALL the debts you (owe) .
along with all the EBT`s that were used by certain players/ staff.
As a few have said, you can`t have your cake and eat it.

Whats your thoughts on that?

17 May 2018 16:51:29
the same issue you lot always misunderstand: club and company, two separate entities. Rangers paid the football debts as an item of necessity for the CLUB membership to be transferred to a new COMPANY, the other debts of the old company are currently being dealt with by liquidators, so no they wouldn't be held accountable for any debts. By the way, the cake tastes great ;)

19 May 2018 10:35:25
In reply to Pete boy

I’m no expert on ebt s as I’m no a tim however my understanding is ebts are loans pain back by the estate on death, if that’s the case and we are still due all those millions back then yes we should pay any money the club owes.

I’m sure you will let me know if that is correct or not.

19 May 2018 17:08:53
Hey Pete boy what about Celtics use of ebt, s does that count?

22 May 2018 18:07:43
Tin man, I think they recognised the problem and how dubious it might be so stopped at one ebt which was then cancelled (correct me if I am wrong)

15 May 2018 07:29:54
Following my earlier comments on the Paul Murray resignation I had a look at his involvement with our club, after prompting from my old sparring partner, DK17.
He has worked tirelessly in the background to help save our club and deserves full credit and thanks for everything he has done.
I have never been a fan of his, but what do I know? However, it is more the pity that our chairman could not thank him for his service in keeping our club alive, instead of ridiculous comment about not knowing why Mr Paul Murray resigned.
DK17, I noted his potential house sale, but that could be for many reasons, and is personal to PM. All I will say is that he has, obviously, done well for himself, while working tirelessly for our great club. I hope he gets the credit he deserves for his efforts and does well in the future.

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15 May 2018 08:52:06
Billy
I agree that perhaps DK could have said more but I’m certain that the issue with PM is down to personal issues.
His house has been sold but there is more to it.
I would think that he needs to spend more time on his own business affairs.
DK is far from perfect but so is PM.
If PM feels that he has been let down by DK, he is a big boy. he can tell us all himself

15 May 2018 09:26:32
DK17, The chairman had no problem giving John Gilligan credit for his service to the club, when he resigned, so no matter PM's personal circumstances or any disagreements he had in the club, a few words of thanks would have been the thing to do. I do not want to labour a point, but our chairman lacks class.

15 May 2018 10:18:24
Bill, that I agree with. i'm pretty sure he has spoke to him though.

15 May 2018 10:33:33
I’m more concerned about the playing side rather than if PM deserves a pat on the back for services rendered!

15 May 2018 12:36:56
UJ, roll on the 12th. July, then.

15 May 2018 13:27:18
UJ. our club is far more than the playing side but, unfortunately, some of our "fans" think that is all that matters.
Right from the top of our club we must have dignity and earn respect, and that is why our history has left us where we were. However, the people that have ran our club in recent years have brought us into disrepute, so until we regain the respect we earned through our tradition and dignity, we will struggle.
Just remember we are more than just a football club, and if you are only interested in the footballing team and it winning, you should either re-consider your values or go and watch some other team.

15 May 2018 16:18:22
Agree billy but would add that our fans need to show some dignity also.

Clearly we have players who are not good enough for Glasgow Rangers but the ARE Glasgow Rangers players and deserve support from our supporters.

Boo's from our own supporters are embarrassing and not in the tradition of the club

15 May 2018 19:31:44
DK. I agree that giving stick to our own isn’t great but there have been plenty who have been given grief in recent memory.

Cammy Fraser flicking the vs at Ibrox after scoring due to the stick he was getting. “Ally, get tae fxck, Ally, Ally get tae fxxk ” bellowing from the stands at Ibrox after yet another miss, etc.

It would be great for it to be traditional not to boo our own be we have, do and will when they are mince or play poorly.

15 May 2018 20:01:42
Dignity should be from the board, through the staff, management team, the team and then the support, but unfortunately there are muppets in every section. We then have clowns that think that only results matter, they are not Rangers supporters but purely glory hunters, so UJ take a bow.

15 May 2018 22:06:34
Hi Billy mate hope you are well
UJ only pops on here to police us if we fall out of line of everything wonderful, SG here, before that it was all OK pedro here and how can we forget the magic hat. The club is so much more than players and managers. We need to get the basic right, then things will fall into place but at the moment we are not.

16 May 2018 15:15:25
@billyb - does that acting with ‘ dignity ‘ extend to negative posters like yourself who constantly slate the board?
I would have thought we are all entitled to our opinions and mine hasn’t changed - playing side or a pat on the back for PM? You already know my thoughts.
And I’ve thought about your offer but sorry Rangers are the only team for me - Then, Now and Forever 🔴⚪️🔵

16 May 2018 15:32:43
I completely agree with uj here. I think you've disregarded your post when you stated our fans are Muppets, clowns and glory hunters. Etc. Just because a fan can not attend every game doesn't make them any a less of a supporter then you bill b. So UJ I'm with you pal. Winning is everything.

16 May 2018 21:36:19
UJ and Mee,
Winning is great but has to be earned, I of M makes a very valid point about what we stand for, and it is way above just winning. DK17 and bruised bear also make valid points, and yes you see me as negative, I disagree. What I do feel is that some our fans just accept what is fed to them, but I can assure you that all WILL come out very soon, and I truly believe that we will return our standards to those formed by our forefathers.

I have disagreed with DK17 many times but he has made the most telling statement in this post, and that is in his first sentence. We, as the backbone of the club, must show DIGNITY, and then we will be in a better place.

11 May 2018 22:13:42
Hi jboy just saw your reply to my FACT about the up and coming share issue

Restrictions on dealings by the offer or (D. King) and the concert parties (the 3bears)
During an offer period, the offer or and persons acting in concert must not sell any securities in the offeree company.
B) during an offer period, the offeror and persons acting in concert with it must NOT aquire an interest in ANY securities of the offeree company.

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12 May 2018 07:11:01
Well that’s cleared that up then!

12 May 2018 07:34:13
Iom source please. I don’t agree

12 May 2018 08:23:23
Colster don't be so under armour

12 May 2018 11:44:57
IOM

You may be right but have you considered that the TAP offer may be put in place and concluded before any share issue is offered, which based on your assessment would be valid. He is probably being deliberately evasive in his strategy and while frustrating for the fans I would still much prefer his unsecured loans than Ashley secured loans accepting that the situation continues to drag Rangers down

12 May 2018 14:19:07
TOP
Section E
Restrictions on dealing
Rule 4
Check it out jboy you being a financial man wonder WHY you didn't know that rule.

12 May 2018 15:32:17
Yep you got me there!
But how about just getting behind the team rather than lie awake every night thinking what negative comment you could write the next day. I've never read a positive post from you yet. F#$% me . your house will be easy to spot with the big dark cloud sitting over it!

12 May 2018 16:26:44
What do you want to do colster tell this board the truth or tell them rumours about 3 year deal with under armour or about massive investment from various parts of the world and Edinburgh. Believe it or not some people on here are Rangers fans but are not now lead by the Scottish media after their performance in the last 6-7 years. From the Motherwell billionaire, through Charles Green Dallas cowboys team up and now SG massive war chest. All to keep us happy.

12 May 2018 17:34:18
Tell me what exactly King has done wrong. Would you rather the club was still in the hands of Green, Ashley or lambias? Ok the board f@-&£d up with the Pedro appointment but they backed him none the less. We’ve went all in appointing SG. but if you think he has come up here without some sort of financial backing then your deluded. If you also think they have made this appointmoment to embezzle season ticket money then you are doubley deluded. King has said all along the soft loans will be converted into shares and the board will continue to make up any short fall . The offer to shareholders will not be taken up and you know as well as anyone . so why are you getting your frillies in a twist. Whether there is or isn’t investment coming in the summer only time will tell

12 May 2018 20:29:46
Yes time will tell colster and I do hope your right. King said the loans will be converted to shares did you read my above post mate. That can't be do til D King put his rands into pound note in a UK bank. What's King done wrong well were do we start, Nomad, transparency, look how I got rid of Ashley not telling us that he paid £3m, unaudited accounts, our main man should live in the UK at least. These are all personal highlighting them doesn't made me a TIM or a less Rangers man then the rumours loony on here.

12 May 2018 21:29:39
Sorry IOM but you can spout all the facts (as you see them) and figures that you like.

The most important fact is that Dave King is the one who dug deep to but enough shares to rescue us from the shysters Whyte, Green, Ashley and the Greenock busboys.

You can continue to be negative but unless there is someone with deep pockets out there waiting to invest and but out enough shareholders you are wasting your time.

In my view, DK is far from perfect but he is the best and only option that we have for now. he has my support whilst he is improving the club.

There will come a point where he cannot take us any further but by then we will be in a position where we are a more attractive proposition for new investors.

12 May 2018 21:51:33
DK17, surprise, surprise, I agree with IoM. Not on all the detail but on dk being an out and out liar. I know you think I'm paranoid, but consider this:-
Straight from dk's press question and answer------- Question-- Why did paul murray resign?
Answer-- I do not know, but I met him in Mr Singh's while having a meal with Donald Park, but did not have the chance to speak! . THE DEFENCE RESTS.

12 May 2018 22:19:53
Nae bother columbo🤷‍♂️

12 May 2018 22:38:23
Billy, as usual you have assumed that there is something negative that has caused Paul Murray to resign. could it equally be that he has personal issues that stop him from co tribute game to the club as much as he would like?

Google it and see what comes up. sold house.

13 May 2018 07:16:58
I am not trying to be negative DK17, but he must know, so if he did not want to respond, why did he not just say --- it is a private matter OR just say ----- no comment, at present.

09 May 2018 00:11:40
Guys transfer budget is £16m NOT £6m

"At the moment I'm thinking probably £6 million new cash and the balance converted to loans, " King said, as quoted by the Times. "We'll be looking at [a total] just over £16m. Right now it's £6m and £10m in loans but we might go £8m and £8m. We've not yet made our final decision but it won't be less than £6m new cash.

"It will happen I would say definitely by the end of June. It will be in sufficient time for all the close season activity that we are looking to do. ".

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10 May 2018 11:55:55
We'll only know the budget when this window closes. You don't open your wallet in front of a thief.

15 May 2018 17:15:06
There is also a World Cup so a few players will be hedging their bets before signing for anyone

08 May 2018 22:32:35
king said we were doing this share issue to raise some extra cash hoping to raise around 6 million as extra money for the club he did not say that the total budget for S.G next season for players will be 6million did he so why are people moaning and making out this to be the case?

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08 May 2018 01:01:06
First time poster. None of us know for sure how much money we have so don't panic guys give it time and wait and see what happens at pre season we will. be surprised.

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09 May 2018 18:55:54
Gham, and neither does the board.

 


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