19 Apr 2024 11:56:55
On the Tav debate.
I see it posted by some that every manager we've had since Tav became captain have kept him as captain, and have always waxed lyrical about his leadership qualities. It's also pointed out by these same posters that all the managers can't be wrong about Tav.
OK, so, if my calculations are correct, that would be 6 managers and 2 caretaker ones. How many titles has Tav captained for these managers who wax lyrical of him? How many trophies?
So out of the 6 full time managers Tav has seved as captain, he's managed only one title, that's it. And for that same manager, who Tav was the captain for over 3 seasons, he managed the grand total of one trophy. Following that, there's on SC for Gio, and one LC for PC.
Aye, all they managers can't be wrong, can they?
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19 Apr 2024 12:04:12
So what's your point caller? 📞.
19 Apr 2024 12:08:16
Pretty sad inditement too of the leadership qualities of anyone else that noone has been viewed as a better option.
19 Apr 2024 12:14:51
That's all not down to tav that he's won only what you state mate 🤔.
19 Apr 2024 12:25:20
Going by that record then they are wrong.
19 Apr 2024 12:29:16
I know he has been captain but don't think it's all his fault we have won so little.
Every game nowadays is about 14 or 15 players. During his time here in terms of contribution Tav has been a good player. To blame him for everything is too easy an answer. Many players over that period have contributed very little in comparison.
I don't care is he goes in the summer as he has lost the legs to get up and down the park the way he used too. Even if he stays I would be looking at Dujon to be our first pick RB next season anyway.
Goldson and Lundstram are much bigger priorities to get shot of for me. Goldson has been poor the last 2 years and has been getting worse as the games go by. Lunny just cannot be trusted because he is either great or a liability which is no good at a club like Rangers.
With them 2 gone along with BB, Jack, Roofe, Wright, Haji and Lammers leaves enough squad space for PC and NK to refresh the squad.
19 Apr 2024 12:49:07
I think every manager that has took over has taken on a huge rebuild at the time.
And probably with the lack of finances available didn't see it as a 'problem position'.
Throw in most would like a bit of stability within the squad, keeping the captain and vice captain is probably an easy option.
But this has ultimately cost them all their jobs. As it's the same players from one season to the next underperforming.
The big question is does Clement tackle this head on next season?
Probably again depends on money available.
That's why for me winning the title and CL money was crucial.
19 Apr 2024 12:50:50
Whole team needs ripped apart and rebuilt. That costs money though. Obviously new players will come in summer and some will go. Doubt it will be a total rebuild though. We will probably be seeing more of the same for the next few years to come. just have to get used to it and get on with it.
19 Apr 2024 12:58:35
Perhaps that’s a key factor as to why there all ex - managers?
19 Apr 2024 13:04:58
Stevie Wonder can see he needs replacing 😎.
19 Apr 2024 13:35:45
Nobody is saying it’s all his own fault, but that is the usual comeback when his leadership is questioned.
What I'm stating is that his leadership has failed, and until we drop him as captain, we won't know if new leadership will sort this ongoing, longterm issue we have of falling apart season after season. We will only know this once he's been binned, but until then, it's continue on with failure after failure. That can't continue!
To all the Tav backers here, would it not be better to try somebody new to see if it works, than continue on with someone who history, stats, and failure after failure proves is not up to it? C'mon, surely to God you must see we need change?
19 Apr 2024 13:52:17
No matter the debate, PC is not going to drop Tav or Goldston at this stage of season, but the worry is going forward, as we are all aware they are not good enough and will only be worse next season, so big desicion has to be made if no ocomes in for them, they have to be made aware they will not be starters, so are free to find new clubs.
19 apr 2024 18:07:37
we need a rangers fan as captain, or a guy like but her who becomes one of us, tav is never ever a captain for me.
19 Apr 2024 11:11:38
Just thinking regarding the players we have out of contract this summer is shocking ok some haven't been good enough but to allow them to run down deals has been crazy from the board we need to change a lot of things to help the team become more successful on the pitch and player trading is a big one for me.
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19 Apr 2024 11:26:01
Are you suggesting that we should be extending contracts of players who most agree aren't good enough in the hope that someone buys them and when no one does, we are stuck with them for another x years?
19 Apr 2024 12:47:12
Sorry but if all the ones out of contract in the summer had longer deals nobody would buy them and we’d be stuck with them. The only one we could even potentially sell is Lundstram and that’s not particularly likely. Letting Goldson (when he was sellable), Kent, Morelos and to an extent Aribo run the contract down the way they did was far worse than what has happened this year.
19 Apr 2024 12:50:37
Aye we should have offered Roofe or jack a new 4 year deal and cashed in this summer🙄.
19 Apr 2024 10:36:24
Here's a thought. Why do we spend much needed cash on a youth system that does not produce any that game time.
Are they no good?
Does PC not want to give any of them a decent chance, not the odd few mins.?
Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSG, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man. U, Chelsea all have REGULAR staters who are under 21 some even under 18, yet we persist with same injury prone serial losers. Who keep letting us down and drawing salaries they don't merit.
Rant over. let's get better for rest of season.
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19 Apr 2024 12:48:55
Because all of the clubs mentioned take the best players who have a chance of making it from youth teams like ours. Gilmour Patterson Wilson etc. were all good but Patterson only just broke through and was poached then the other 2 went as soon as they turned 16.
19 Apr 2024 12:52:20
When you are starting for the teams you have mentioned then they are a class above anything in Scotland.
Any that are decent are head hunted from down South.
But we should be producing more that can enhance the first team when we are struck by injuries or poor performances.
18 Apr 2024 22:09:49
You listen to Dujon Sterling and Jack Butland speak and start to believe a bit but then you hear Tav Goldson or Lundstrum speak and it brings you crashing down to earth. The new players come in with the right mentality and the old guard bring them down to their level. There’s far too many battle scars for some of the squad and it’s never going to change. Dujon Sterling hit the nail on the head with that interview and the fact he said some players might not believe they can win it says a lot. i'm absolutely desperate for Goldson and Lundstram to be out the door. Tav I think with a proper centre back next to him still has something to offer.
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19 Apr 2024 05:07:06
I have no doubt imo that tav should be kept at rangers and will be kept at rangers, unless crazy money comes in for him and he wants to go 🤔If we had a good young right sided centre half that knew how to go out and cover tav when he goes forward to attack and a good, mobile defensive mid that could do the same, then tav would be still very important in everything clement wants to do and achieve 👍An example i'll quote here regarding another terrific attacking right back is Liverpool's right back trent alexander arnold, who is so highly rated by liverpool supporters and everyone down there in general, like tav not the best defensively but terrific in the attacking sense, but the space he leaves when attacking is covered by their centre half and defensive mid and was evident when jordan henderson was at liverpool 🤔So instead of constantly blaming tav for most things, appreciate the guy and his undoubted ability and strengths and focus more on getting the correct personnel in those positions to allow tav to excell simple enough 🤔 We just should never want to lose what tav brings 👌🇬🇧.
19 Apr 2024 05:56:03
No, he's a liability. Even if you get a better right sided C/ H, yes they may well cover at times while Tav attacks, which he is good at, no argument in his attacking play, but even in defence he's not good enough, to slow, too old, no fight, same tired excuses, there is a list of reasons by many on here why he has to go, this has been discussed many times on here, no room for sentiment, he's got to go along with a few others, Sterling should get the position he was bought for, I know guys like and defend him, no prob with that, but think he has to go IMHO.
19 Apr 2024 06:19:54
Right we're do I start. The last 2 matches have been frustrating and we are back to the MB way of playing. PC has came in and all the players have been playing way above what they were at under MB. You can only keep this up for so long before you come back to your normal level (in their case bang average) as we have seen recently.
The league is gone because you can't just flick a switch on and off to go from good to poor and back. Hearts will be licking there lips at the thought of playing us on Sunday in our current form. If these players can't raise themselves to play for our great club then they are not worth keeping. After all the only way is down after you leave ask any of the recent lads who left.
Hopefully I'm wrong and we can still win a league and cup and yes I will keep taking the tablets.
19 Apr 2024 06:46:31
I actually wonder if the dressing room is split? The old guard failures and the new younger players with the drive for success?
19 Apr 2024 06:50:58
Forktongue, do you think trent alexander arnold is a liability mate just a wee question mate 🤔.
19 Apr 2024 06:52:03
Sterling for the record is better in midfield my friend 🤔.
19 Apr 2024 07:05:22
Correction in my opinion ‘Sterling for the record is better in midfield my friend 🤔’
In other peoples opinion Sterling would help our defence as he was a right back to trade.
19 Apr 2024 07:11:21
You can't go from good to poor and back again? Why not, most teams in the world do this. Every team has a poor game or run of them, doesn't mean they can't click again and show form.
19 Apr 2024 07:12:17
Look, Tav's a busted flush as a captain, and a liability as a RB when he's up against any player with speed, and he needs replaced.
Honestly, what good is Tav's goals If there isn't league titles to show for them?! His numbers, if we're being honest, are only good for his own stats, and make him, the player, look good!
Since he's been captain, he's help deliver 1 title, 1 SC, and 1 LC, and that's it. Out of all the competitions he's been captain for, he's delivered 3 trophies, in a country where it's a 2 horse race - that's abysmal for a team of our stature! If this was in any other industry, he would have been bagged a long time ago.
Tav must be replaced If we are to progress as a team, and instill a winning mentality. If we continue on with him as captain, we will continually fail as a team, and be stuck in an never ending cycle of failure.
19 Apr 2024 07:16:34
No I don't SWS, but Tav is, Rolls Royce n a Mini, that's the difference in my opinion, yes Sterling is great in M/ F, but he's a RB bud👍.
19 Apr 2024 07:17:54
So for Tav to be effective in the team, we actually needanother 2 players t cover for him?
A CH and a MF?
And for that we get:-
Goals conceded down the right hand side.
30% accurate crosses.
Loses possession 25 times on average per game.
66% pass accuracy in the opposition half.
I would personally prefer:-
A RB who could defend first and foremost.
Someone else to take corners and free kicks.
My striker to take the penalties.
19 Apr 2024 07:30:32
Spot on RTR👍, needs to be told thanks and adieu.
19 Apr 2024 07:49:31
What a cracking way to articulate you point MPH, when you put numbers like that in front of us and you call out the additional two players we need to keep him in the team you are creating a fact that we’re better without Tav. This was my opinion but your numbers are very hard to argue against this becoming a fact.
19 Apr 2024 07:49:55
Can't argue with that MPH👍.
19 Apr 2024 08:02:45
Happy enough regarding free kicks and penalties as he is proven there - its outswinginging corners that does my box in - also we have become too reliant on him taking every dead ball - injured or sick then who steps up - we should have many in team who can and should be above average at freekicks/ corners - just wonder how many players take time after training to practise this art - not many by the looks of it! Noted last night during Euro games that >90% of corners were inswinging with pace which caused mayhem to defending team - let's have some of this please PC! Around 10 corners vs Dundee with no positive outcome - symptomatic of our corner taking this season- piss poor in fact😖.
19 Apr 2024 08:17:00
One Walter how do you know sterling better in midfield when we have not seen him at rb.
That’s it keep tav keep losing trophies. Sounds like a plan.
19 Apr 2024 08:17:37
Hard to argue with those stats MPH however who else is scoring or creating for us? so we also need a whole new midfield and front line. Can't just say someone else will provide them because they aren't. Can u give stats for how many points we'd have if u take away his goals and assists? Currently only Sima and Dessers have more than 5 goals which is frankly pathetic.
19 Apr 2024 08:32:24
Never mind Tav, the entire defence needs replacing.
19 Apr 2024 08:58:29
Correct mark and has done for a long time.
19 Apr 2024 09:22:09
Wrong Walter John27😉😁.
19 Apr 2024 10:01:08
Tav is one of the least successful captains in our history 🤦♂️ he is a liability. Sterling is predominantly a right back.
Good stats MPH
Remember guys coops only allows an opinion if you agree with him.
19 Apr 2024 10:16:44
The whole team will be overhauled (again) in the summer. I think Tav, Goldson, Borna, Lundstram, Davies, Jack, Roofe, Dessers will be moved on for free in some cases and for the bid received in others. I have said all through this season that Lundstram will move on, deal probably already done and this is why he isn't interested now. I can see Gerrard making a move for Tav. Goldson might be a hard sell but if pushed he will move. I read a comment yesterday about him, nobody wanted him on a free so why would they buy him now? Spot on.
The biggest question though is how do we replace these players on our budget? It won't be easy, that's a certainty. If, as usual, we need to build a whole new team it will mean next season will be a struggle.
For me, Clement has to take some responsibility for how the second half of the season has evolved. In January we were screaming for a striker, someone to put the ball in the net. Dessers is rotten, no denying that, but failing to buy a finisher in January has led us to this point. Sorry to labour the point but Shankland would have been well into double figures with us already, so would many other strikers. Dessers would struggle to hit a cow on the backside with a banjo!
19 Apr 2024 10:23:40
With Tav out the team this would be results impacted, Kaisercailland.
Assuming that someone else would take the penalties ( Dessers has 2 from 2 this season ) :-
We beat Hearts 2-1 with an assist from Tav. No assist then we draw.
We beat Hearts 1-0 with an assist from Tav. No assist then we draw.
We beat Dundee 3-1 with an assist from Tav. No assist we still win.
We beat St Johnstone 2-0 with an assist from Tav. No assist we still win.
We beat Ross County 3-1 with 3 assists from Tav. No assists we get beat.
We beat Killie 2-0 with a free kick from Tav. No goal then we draw.
Other parameters would need to be considered.
How many goals wouldn’t we lose down the right hand side?
Would corners from others be as effective?
Would free kicks from others be effective?
Would the space Tav no longer takes up be effectively used by others?
We’ll never know.
What we do know is that Tav is a liability defensively.
19 Apr 2024 12:29:38
Tell me a dressing room that does not have issues, like in life some will get on and some won’t, what you should have though is a combined will to win regardless of that.
It’s more to do with lack of quality in the key areas on the park.
19 Apr 2024 13:46:06
Imagine trying to compare tav and Trent.
19 Apr 2024 14:31:02
Thanks MPH. Interesting stats as always mate. Think shows need for others to contribute far more then maybe could consider dropping him more. Hope sterling takes his place but others have to make the difference.
19 Apr 2024 14:33:33
Fair comparison with trent criticism. Same issues and debate just on a much higher level.
19 apr 2024 18:10:16
remember guys, everyone has just given an opinion.
18 Apr 2024 21:49:49
Let's get back to playing players in there natural position as we've nothing to lose.
Butland
Tav goldson souttar bb
Sterling lunny
McCausland cantwell sima
Dessers.
I wouldn't argue with balogun for goldson or diomande for lunny.
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18 Apr 2024 22:24:36
I’d rather yfeko at left back, got to be better drilled and show desire and hunger than Barisic he looks like a player who’s going soon, still a young lad granted and has a lot of improving but I’m sure he wouldn’t let us down, remember young Devine coming in at one point last season and doing well, no nonsense, keep your shape and do the basics.
Having said that can’t see it happening and probably Sterling there, and no faulting Sterling as he has played anywhere when asked but not natural there and far more dynamic on the right or in midfield.
19 Apr 2024 05:57:42
Natural position? OWS, Sterling at right back then, tav binned.
19 Apr 2024 06:04:54
Also OWS Souttar is a natural RCB, so if your playing them in natural positions, play him there with balogun if fit, I know what your getting at bud, but for me tav n goldson need dropped.
19 Apr 2024 10:01:59
One Walter fork is right Sterling is a right back.
19 Apr 2024 11:01:00
Sterling has too play in midfield, he will be able too take pressure off tav when he gets caught up the park, tav passing has been terrible yes but our team need every attacking option on pitch, this in no way is saying tav is the dogs b*****ks, just think this is best of what we have got, p. s. I would play the youngster at left back if Ridvan still not fit, Borna played his last game.
19 Apr 2024 11:05:55
you want Borna to play? i must be reading that wrong lol.
19 Apr 2024 11:07:21
I'm playing Yfeko King or even Davies at lb before the useless Barasic.
19 Apr 2024 12:37:57
I'd play sterling in midfield because iv never seen him play rb and tbh I think he's needed more in midfield.