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15 Jan 2020 22:55:12
Don't know about every bear out there, but i'm wondering and seriously concerned about when this full hurting episode for our club, with sports direct ends? Surely to god this judge had to decide once and for all what's to happen here and decide the end game, as its clearly not allowing our club and current kit manufacturers to trade and design our future kits for this season coming, which of course is our allegedly third and final year with hummel. The judge has to be bold and put an end to this sorry mess,
even if our club has to pay up several millions to get free of this deal, which is helping absolutely nobody! Surely it can't be allowed to continue month after month,
with a lame judge making no final, end game decision?

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16 Jan 2020 07:32:08
SGL the judge has already made a decision (well 3 judges actually, but we have appealed each decision) . He found in favour of SD and all that's left is the total bill plus legal fees. There is only one party here keeping this going. We need millions to get to the end of the season and the many millions the judge said it will cost us, will not be there.

16 Jan 2020 08:41:47
where and when did the judge say that it will cost rangers many millions isle of mull? you say we need millions to get to the end of the season i think 10 mill was mentioned some where and you say the judge said it will cost many millions are you insinuating that many millions is more than millions? so what exactly are the amounts your talking about? or is this more media speculation? please explain.

16 Jan 2020 09:22:21
Not once were you on to talk about our excellent victory on the 29th IOM?
But as soon as SD or Court Case gets mentioned, Hey Presto!

16 Jan 2020 13:38:22
SGL I get your point re the judge. However, remember both sides keep challenging the judge’s decision which is our legal process.
You can’t just roll over and accept defeat. Have you read our QC s legal challenge, if correct it really dams SD.
I feel it has a bit to run yet.

17 Jan 2020 15:39:39
a bit dissapointed in you isle of mull i would have thought you could have answered my inquiry above?

17 Jan 2020 22:43:20
Brian think you answered your own question.

judge said it will cost many millions are you insinuating that many millions is more than millions?

That's from your post Brian, I not insinuating anything, are you making a play on words.

17 Jan 2020 23:03:35
Batton the hatches. keep the faith . bring it on . arbuckle must be seething he has picked the losing hand overall.

18 Jan 2020 08:48:42
Please answer the question then when and where did a judge say that it is going to cost many millions? only asking for you to tell me that your words mate not mine?

18 Jan 2020 09:35:42
Daily record 23 July 19

NEWS
Rangers court blow as Mike Ashley's Sports Direct due 'millions in damages'
The Ibrox club and the controversial Sports Direct tycoon have been in dispute over retail strip sales after Rangers did a kit deal with another company.

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ByGordon Robertson
04:30, 23 JUL 2019UPDATED21:04, 26

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Rangers' bid to limit any potential damages to only a £1m payout if the ruling went against them was also dismissed by Judge Persey.

Mike Ashley outside the Sports Direct headquarters in Shirebrook
Mike Ashley outside the Sports Direct headquarters in Shirebrook (Image: PA)
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He wrote: "SDIR’s losses are likely to be in the order of many millions of pounds.

"Rangers has pleaded that it will rely upon the Non-Exclusive Rights Agreement to limit its damages to £1,000,000. I accept SDIR’s submission that it would be unjust to deprive SDIR of the benefit of its matching right provisions. "

18 Jan 2020 11:53:07
So the judge didn't say its media speculation as normal.

18 Jan 2020 14:37:52
Brian that's from the judge written verdict

He wrote: "SDIR’s losses are likely to be in the order of many millions of pounds.

18 Jan 2020 17:02:38
Sorry I must be thick I cannot see anything in the mish mash above where the judge says that sd are due many millions I think I will leave e ot there isle of mill as to be honest I really don't think it's actually worth bothering about! Couldn't care less to be honest how much it costs but I will be so happy when we are rid of the sports d rats.

18 Jan 2020 17:12:23
Haha the judge writing for the daily record. aye right.

19 Jan 2020 15:49:02
Mull, although I concur with your thinking, I believe that so does DK, and is just playing a delaying game as the hard cash is not available. He is basing his strategy on "snowballing" the debt[ including costs. ] against the increase in our income to the end of the season. [ was a dm tactic of old that eventually was his downfall. ]
However, in dk's case I think it may work [ and who knows Sports Direct may go belly up sooner rather than later. ]
And yes, this is my first in a while, but was too busy celebrating our fantastic result at the piggery, before calming down to post.

20 Jan 2020 08:42:36
Hi Billy happy new year to you. The SDM, Dave King plan of kicking the can down the road is a dangerous game especially with Ashley and his billions. We all know we need the best part of £10m to get us to season book money. Yes john25 we have money coming in from the sources you quoted, but what about our outgoings ie the wage bill must have double since SG came in. Legal bill will be over a million in the Ashley case alone, and as I've alway say just opening Ibrox on a match date cost some amount of money.

20 Jan 2020 09:26:16
Sports Direct have no chance of goi g belly up.

Flaw in the snowballing argument is that we don’t have any debt - DK and other have soft loans but no security so even if we lose big the club will not be in a dangerous place.

Increased outgoings but also massively increased turnover - need to look at positives and not just negatives!

Only time will tell whether the DK haters are right but I’m 100% confident that I am backing the right guy.

20 Jan 2020 11:09:14
But iom u miss the point, the costs you highlight are correct which wer short circa ten million, so I suggest wY we are addressing shortfall.
Wages have not went up or opening ibrox any more since we said we need ten million so try and think about it instead of your personal attacks on me.

20 Jan 2020 11:16:34
Happy new year Dk19, I do agree with you on certain points (shocked and stunned lol) but we do have debt. We are still dealing with Pedro flops and SG spend has still to to come down the pipe. In the accounts it's stated due in next 12 months (can't remember the exactly figures) then over the next 4 years added up to £24m and that's not counting SG spend after the accounts. We have to Ashley, memorial walls, legal fees to face plus this year short fall (£10m) .

20 Jan 2020 11:17:16
Also iom wage bill is calculTed at start of season and is an easy some for board to work out.
Any additional signings in January easy to add on.
Opening stadium additional match days is budgeted at 20% of crowd takings. Catering, corporate, tv revenue, programmes etc belong to home team, notwithstanding costs of food programmes etc.
I assume you know companies all over have massive mark up on food and brink.
Dk I enjoy reading u, molsgoals and billyb because occasionally I think I’m totally misreading our account.

20 Jan 2020 12:03:10
So the board budgeted for the last day signing of R Kent?
Please tell me about these personal attacks john25, if you can I will I will of course apologise.

20 Jan 2020 13:38:19
Cheese oh iom they budgeted to sign Kent if we qualified for group stages, or are u also calling robertson and gerrard life’s as well.
U consistently call me a lier, you mate could not lace my boots.

20 Jan 2020 17:46:10
Mull since your so clued up on the SDIR finances could you please tell me how sdi are millions out of pocket when no one was buying from him. mull are you getting commission on top of your zero hour sd contract.

20 Jan 2020 18:07:44
And who told you this your accountant, a multi millionaire friend or are you doing the same as usual making it up to suit your argument. I've never called you a lair, I've disagreed with you on my occasions and will in the future. Where I'm fit to lace your boots I don't know I've never saw you play.

20 Jan 2020 19:25:28
Iom never played football, you told me I lied about grieve sport. U say I can’t have sold my company as I’m on here

20 Jan 2020 20:13:06
If I did say the word lair to you in the greives argument
I apologise, I can never remember using that language on here. Bear82 as I've explained on here before if SD sell a football top for £60 the retailer ie SD get between 65-70% of that £60. The rest goes to manufacturers ie Hummel, storage and distribution. Most club get the bulk of their money in a lump sum at the start of each season ie we got £10m over 3 year deal. If your own your own shops like man u Liverpool and the east end mob you pick up that 65-70% of the price of the top. We had our shops but SDM sold the franchise to jjb sports for £18m I believe. So all we are entitled to is the lump sum and few pence in the pound on each top.

20 Jan 2020 21:06:55
Read your phrase I’m making it up to suit my argument, that is also tantamount to calling me a liar.

20 Jan 2020 21:47:10
This is a site to debate John I take more low blow than anyone on here, can't you remember when molsgoals had a low blow or 2 at me, you thought it was hilarious and everything was jolly. I just try to counter the one sided everything in the garden is rosy.

15 Jan 2020 08:01:31
Court with SD today can only hope and pray it goes well for us.

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15 Jan 2020 09:33:26
Need this to be over. Hopefully a conclusion this week and we can move on. Once we have control of our retail back, we are millions of quids in. Has to be resolved so let’s have it!

15 Jan 2020 16:46:17
Can someone explain what the hells going on with this case Dragging on and on!
Where is Rangers basher Isle of Mull to put his anti Gers spin on this? 🙃🇬🇧.

17 Jan 2020 22:59:51
Because I DON'T SPIN I'm anti Rangers. Yately answer one thing what happens IF no one comes forward with the money needed to get to the end of the season, and we have to pay "many millions" to SD
Answer please.

18 Jan 2020 03:07:40
We have a player pool worth approximately £70 to £80 million pounds so maybe the model of the club now is to sell a player for serious cash. You still cannot see how far our club has come un 2 years🙃🇬🇧🇬🇧.

18 Jan 2020 12:29:33
Yately sinc board said we could need ten million to see us to end of season we have generated the following
.5 million semi v hearts
1.0 million final v them
Europa league 2 in group .7 million
Points money Porto, Feyenoord and boys 1.3 million
Braga gate receipts 2.0
So there circa 5:5 of the ten
Other income beat Braga another four million
Scottish cup
Savings on salary
Tv money Europe
Some people only cconcentrate on negativity.

18 Jan 2020 12:30:59
Also as u highlight the model is to sell in future, it’s clearly written in the accounts as a key part of our business model moving forward.
Same as every club in uk.

18 Jan 2020 14:43:15
So here we go again john25 highlight all the incoming but no outgoings.
Brian your valuation of our squad does that not come from media reports and of course you need some team to agree they are worth what the daily record say they are.

18 Jan 2020 15:41:40
Apologies to Brian I'm in that many verbal tussles lol that when you said it was media speculation that the judge said 'many millions'. Then yately saying our squad worth £70-80m I got mixed up. Apologies to all concerned.

18 Jan 2020 16:13:03
Iom u said we don’t talk.
However, the ten million highlight was e.

18 Jan 2020 16:15:25
Ten million was money the board said we needed to keep going, therefore it is expenditure.
I did not become a multi million aide by not being able to generate money and sell my business.
Iom remember you said you did not want to talk with me, please stick to your wish.

18 Jan 2020 23:20:17
So your a multi millionaire john25 and spend your time on here give yourself a break man go for a holiday. Enjoy.

19 Jan 2020 11:57:27
Iom you would have found out when u took up my offer to come to club Europe.

19 Jan 2020 18:46:27
Have not been on this page for some time and have missed this thread.

John25, believe your incremental revenue tally of £5.5m is broadly sound although likely will also be some associated incremental expenditures that will have negative impact on the £5.5m.

IOM, why can’t you see we are half way to bridging the gap discussed at agm, last time I was on here you and billyb seemed much more positive. From your comments above you are back with doomsters. Hope you enjoyed 29th.

19 Jan 2020 21:13:48
Bankie point I was making is we don’t need to find all the ten million that was said, since then we have raised money . Which I have said will all be expenditure.

20 Jan 2020 13:18:40
Bankie cheers happy new year I did enjoy our day in the east end and had a good new year. All I'm trying to say is season book money has been spent we have no major money coming in apart from Europe and we have 5 wage bill to pay legal bill, maybe money to Ashley, memorial walls.

20 Jan 2020 18:45:37
IOM, happy new year, and yes 29th was excellent and hopefully a few more of those days over next months.

Agree the ongoing situation with Ashley is frustrating but as the chairman outlined at AGM it is now a burden of process that has to be muscled out. I would only make a couple of points:

1. We are debt free.
2. The incremental Income set out by John25.
3. We have saleable assets (Morelos, Barasic and others) at least one of whom will be sold in the summer consistent with our stated business model to buy/ develop/ sell.

We have now come a long way to covering the £10m budgeted shortfall discussed at AGM and even without the additional and unbudgeted Income delivered over last 6 months funding was available.

We all want shot of Ashley and whilst he is frustrating our commercial model he is also suffering and I believe we are getting closer to finally getting rid of him.

18 Dec 2019 11:45:46
Does anyone know when we will take back control of the retail store at the stadium does Ashley's Lease end in 2020?

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18 Dec 2019 15:39:34
I’d say still to be determined.

19 Dec 2019 12:56:31
John, I know we have to be patient with this one, but, this is years now, and he still has his foot in our door, and costing us millions, surely this has to be concluded very early in 2020, and get rid of him altogether, legally, what he's doing by restricting our earning ability in retail, has to be flawed.

19 Dec 2019 15:47:55
Irvger that is why we are counter suing him, shop is isa minor problem as we have a store at st Enoch we can use.

20 Dec 2019 16:01:24
Can't see where SDI are being sued by TRIFC. Is there a court link you can post so we know the details?

20 Dec 2019 17:05:10
Hope go to site called Rangers News article is there with a copy of submitted court paper.
Lengthy reading 106 pages but if u scroll through to print in green writing you will see all the areas being challenged.

04 Dec 2019 18:25:49
Rangers appear to have served notice in London courts that we are Cointreau suing SD for loss off revenue.

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04 Dec 2019 21:38:46
Counter.

04 Dec 2019 21:42:15
Attack is the best form of defence!

04 Dec 2019 21:42:59
Don’t believe Ashley wants to settle the case, just keep annoying us.

04 Dec 2019 22:46:13
I don’t know boys? Can they do that? Have they read the small print?

05 Dec 2019 07:08:11
Mols u can tead it online all 106 pages. Makes for interesting reading.

05 Dec 2019 13:58:39
John25.Molsgoals having a bit banter at one of my previous posts.

After result last night nearly made me smile.

05 Dec 2019 15:48:56
Cool blue brother. We need to ride the storm.

05 Dec 2019 16:31:12
John, I would love a Cointreau suing, but we are stuck with counter. If true, this makes brilliant sense.

05 Dec 2019 16:34:56
Think the word you are looking for is Clouseau (ing), it seems that when inspector Clouseau retired from the gendarmery, he graduated in business law, and was taken on by The rangers, Dave King was most impressed by Clouseaus grasp of the ins and outs of contractual law, and together the two of them conjured up a masterplan, whereby they would default on the terms of the contract with SD, and then be sued by SD, and lose the court case, then they would appeal, lose the appeal, accept this judgement, because as Clouseau put it, The rangers will owe SD the money from the judgement but then we will countersue them for loss of earnings, Dave King shook Clouseaus hand, as he recognised a fellow business genius.

05 Dec 2019 17:28:52
John, can’t see the docs online - can you point me in the right direction?

05 Dec 2019 17:52:07
Well impressed there bluebro, and your right after last night not a lot of smiling going on . Our only saving grace
( apart from not getting beat that is ) is that they struggled so badly which proves they are not totally insurmountable, and might hold us in good stead for Sunday . Aberdeen did kick lumps out us but we had that fake by scruff of the neck, and let it go . Very very disappointing.

05 Dec 2019 18:01:17
So doh you’ve got it . Ah maybe we should just have asked Mikey boy to just go away in a nice and polite manner ., . , and shook his hand as he had treated us with such respect, and granger. Dear dear Dave why did you not think of that, and take the advice of much learned bears that have much better and profitable solutions.

THE MAN WAS A WHISPER AWAY FROM GETTING THE FREEHOLD OF OUR GROUND.

He wasn’t going to go because we all asked him nicely lol.

05 Dec 2019 18:50:30
Billy b you can read the papers on line which have been lodged.

05 Dec 2019 18:54:19
Dk, Rangers news post scroll down. Let’s you view documents lodged.

05 Dec 2019 21:13:06
WOW! Even skimming that is some read!

What is abundantly clear is that the case is anything but clear except that by employing a QC our Directors and immediate legal team are blameless for the ongoing conflict - no doubt apologies from those who have slaughtered our Directors and Chairman will be forthcoming.

Whilst not pretending to have any expertise in this type of legal contract, the wording and references are interesting and not as black and white as we have been led to believe by the press or our detractors.

Have faith, DK is playing a blinder in an attempt to secure the best possible outcome (given the starting position) for the club.

Someone advising us clearly thinks there is a fight worth fighting but only the best legal minds will interpret the rights, wrongs and blame.

A few other on here will of course pick out the tiniest negatives in the 100 pages but for me I’m looking forward to the return leg. Bring it on!

06 Dec 2019 00:43:43
DK I did state it was a mistake by our legal team, but it was Dave King (as chairman of the holding company) that ordered the breaking of 2 court injunctions. I don't understand what we are trying to sue SD, we have already lost the case ( just discussing how many millions we have to pay) so why sue for the loss of earning when in our accounts it shows a £3.3m profit plus what elite made.

06 Dec 2019 07:21:12
Yes DK19 quite a read. As clear as mud. U r right re our legal team with three QC involved.
Tends to make me think they might know what they are doing. Although as u say there will be negative views here. Bonus is experts on here will keep them right.
Shows it’s all a mess and we are right to fight on.

06 Dec 2019 08:42:34
DK did they read the small print though? Is there any . I can’t check because without my specs it all looks like small print
Can you check DK and if there is will you contact the rangers office and tell them in case they miss it? ( bluebro am no getting at you at least you can see a joke in the goodwill intended ) and this site goes into absolute meltdown like before when our lawyers never put their glasses on 🧐🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏Sunday.

06 Dec 2019 08:48:03
Someone did mention on here ( can’t remember who so let’s just say it was me ) about there had to be a case for restraint if trade . The fact the Farman ms agenda was fir us not to get strips on the street thus making the rank and file take a meltdown was all to apparant.

06 Dec 2019 12:35:12
IOM . we know fir a fact that certain decisions are solely down to DK then? Not a board decision or a delegate .? Defiantly any bad ( in some people’s eyes but definitely not strategic) decision you kn fir a fact came from chair .?
Amazon inside knowledge you have there mull . owt else that we might be privy too?

06 Dec 2019 15:08:17
Molsgoals can’t believe some think why sue. Obviously not read the 106 pages.

06 Dec 2019 17:30:35
Nice to see some clarity on wholesale price of kit, minimum guaranteed payments, profit share etc.

Quite clear to see who has been on the right track John.

06 Dec 2019 18:17:21
Dk certainly not me according to some.

07 Dec 2019 01:02:13
So molsgoals did Mr Robertson or Mr Parks or someone else on the board, just go ahead and break 2 legal injunctions without inform the chairman?

07 Dec 2019 19:06:09
No mull I think it probably was a joint decision. seeing as both men have the upmost respect for one another . I would have imagined they would have had a board meeting and a vote.

07 Dec 2019 20:54:21
So our board had a vote to break the law (cause that's what happened) . Top business men like the Parks, voting to break the law.

07 Dec 2019 21:14:05
To be honest I don’t know for certain but I don’t for one minute think that their relationship is not strong enough fir total clarity. The board all seem to have the upmost respect for one another.

10 Dec 2019 01:22:18
Dk19, attack is the only form of defence, in my eyes mate, always has been, always will be.

10 Dec 2019 19:53:42
sorry did i miss something, break injunctions, surely they would be in jail if they broke injuctions.

10 Dec 2019 21:11:43
Rangers did break 2 injunctions in the battle with Ashley, that's why Ashley took us to court in the 1st place, can you concur ED.

11 Dec 2019 10:36:08
Geesa no injunctions broken. That is the legal fight, 106 counter claim lays it out very well.
It’s for judges still to sort.

12 Dec 2019 08:42:20
I thought the injunctions were for season 2020/21, and I think you do go to jail if you break an injunction . mull? 🎣.

12 Dec 2019 12:04:22
only the gagging injunction got broke the other injunction don’t come into play until next season thought you would have knew this for sure iom since you only comment on the negative stuff.

12 Dec 2019 14:34:32
Any answer mull? Just for clarity.

13 Dec 2019 12:12:17
No? Ok we will just all say well done Stevie . team . and boardroom from bringing us back from the brink in 5 years to now qualify for the latter stages of one of Europe’s elite competitions . thank you gents from us all 👍.

13 Dec 2019 19:58:47
Ashley got a injunction to stop us selling any merchandise, we broke it. Ashley then got another one and we broke it (all to do with us and not offering SD the matching rights) . That case has been looked at by 3 different judges and all 3 have found in favour of SD, the last judge was looking at our appeal. All that left is to come to agreement on the amount due to SD.

14 Dec 2019 09:58:54
Molsgoals, don't you get it, we are doomed!

No hope, no future, no positives.

14 Dec 2019 12:07:55
yea think your right DK ok mull with obviously no praise coming from you to the club and board (for the incredible progression we have made as a club ) we will just have to wait and see . Like an earlier poster stated I thought that if you broke an injunction you were jailed . If you are talking about us selling our stuff at St enochs . I think that’s a loophole . But let’s see.

16 Dec 2019 12:59:35
Geesa no injunctions broken
John25 please search for Rangers and sports direct injunction. If no injunction was broken why were SD granted another one, and the 3 judges have found in SD favour.

16 Dec 2019 15:22:18
Molsgoals iom can’t resist talking to me, he obviously has not read court papers served on SD by three QCs acting on rangers behalf, indicating rangers are claiming significant losses due to SD refusing to make offer despite various requests made by rangers lawyers.

16 Dec 2019 22:51:14
3 QCs (being paid by us) John don't equal 3 judges who have already found for SD. So do you now agree that we broke a injunction or 2 John?

17 Dec 2019 09:11:11
For now I’m going to accept 3 highly respected QCs may know more than you or I re contract law
If not u r in wrong job.

17 Dec 2019 19:36:06
A wee clue is we are paying them john25. 99% of QCs would defend Jack the ripper for a pay day.

18 Dec 2019 15:40:58
Because that is our justice system, they are obliged legally and professionally to act within the law.

18 Dec 2019 22:25:15
Act within the law 2 broken injunctions john25.

18 Dec 2019 23:58:00
I always knew it was Ashley that was holding out with his offer, his plan being that we couldn’t get strips on the street and the rank and file ( along with mull ) siding with him, and revolting against the board . For some ( not me ) replica strips jean everything . I was shot down in flames here by a lot of posts who said Ashley matched any offer coming in . His excuse and theirs ( the posters ) was that no offer was submitted to him by us so he couldn’t match it .

The legal team we have must have good proof to counter that . Mull no professional at the bar would take what they think is a losing case . they don’t need to . Their reputation and Career s are built on success . To take such a high profile case like this, and lose would only tarnish their name . This would result in a loss of future high profile cases they might have had a chance to represent in the future . I thought a learned person like you might know that.

It is a bit disturbing right enough that a certain minority would still take the word if Ashley over our Board, who have without question put their money where their mouth is . They have proved that they are loyal supporters ( more than some and most as they have worked fir nothing over the past years ) and not in it just to make a killing like Ashley was .!

19 Dec 2019 00:04:41
Ps mull are you saying that there is something fundamentally wrong, and corrupt with our judicial system, and courts when we can break two injunctions, and not be held to account . fined or jailed. We can’t just break them, and be guilty and get away with it . Or is the truth being it’s still to be contested? Please advise?

19 Dec 2019 01:37:07
Mull it looks to me after research that we are contesting this injunction in regards to our strip sales . This is our legal right and can be done out with court time . If it is proved that one party obtained an injunction by false or misleading data . ( ie saying that no offer was presented to sports direct when in fact it was ) then that party ie sports direct in this case would be in contempt. The fact that we gave not been summoned for contempt shows there is something going on behind the scenes.

19 Dec 2019 07:41:28
Didn't the judge highlight our holding back info that SD needed to make their bid?

19 Dec 2019 18:55:10
Well our lawyers are disputing that vigorously . that’s the ammunition that the Qc’s are armed with and basing their case .
The point being though mull that at the moment there is
a strong Element of doubt . and I am not saying either or . but you choose to categorically post that we have broken two Injunctions which is simply not true as I see it. I can’t understand why a fellow supporter would take that view? .

I am still very hopeful things will work out . This is remembering it will be, and is collateral damage . Thus must be appreciated but it was a course that had to be taken to get rid, and move forward.
Cheers mull.

20 Dec 2019 19:43:42
Did SD get a injunction to stop us selling mechandise molsgoals, and what happened we started to sell it, SD got another one we stop selling for a period than started selling again. Remember we couldn't buy anything (reason= injunction) . The court case has been heard by 3 judges and each have found in favour of SD, while highlights the some of our employees as not not being wholly truthful with information required.

21 Dec 2019 12:34:44
You need to research the internet a little more forcefully mull . You are too eager to embrace old and fake news to suit your argument. The facts and progression of events are there but it’s not found by reverting back to the old and fake news all the time.
No offer was forthcoming from SD which effectively froze our ability to take our product to market in any way .
= restraint of trade .
Don’t kn why you are getting so obsessed with all this mull . Time will sort it out . Why don’t you just sit back and enjoy the football, and the progression of our team that our sadly departing chairman has produced . There is a buzz in the air . enjoy.

22 Dec 2019 09:37:47
Oh I will molsgoals, but can't let the kingites spread their propaganda. Please all fans read the court case, 3 judges have found in favour of SD. This latest development is a stalking tactic. I don't think these tactic will work with the judge but you never know with King pulling the strings and if any fans wants to read up on his South African business history wow what a eye opener. From a South African judge using those immortal words to being chairman of our great club. Once Whyte and Green write their books maybe King will too a trilogy of a great club brought to its knees by SDM. It will be a weepie for most of us and its not finished yet.

22 Dec 2019 10:52:15
Oh my . it’s the South Africa rehtoric from what? Ten years ago . really mull. is that the best we can come up with in an attempt to belittle the chairman? Oh dear.

22 Dec 2019 11:06:39
Ps mull you say you don’t think the attic will work but you never know?
Sounds to me like you don’t really want theocratic to work, and would prefer it and us to fail to suit your agenda and argument . Our chairman is stepping down mull leaving us in a much . much . much better place than where we were before he took the challange.
Is that not enough for you? Does there need to be constant and continuous kicking . to no positive end?
The man is stepping down.

22 Dec 2019 11:59:24
BALL**KS molsgoals, next you will revert back to your usual
"Extremely confident we will win the court case"
And for to say I'm hoping SD win to prove my point is just the lowest you have came (yet)
Merry Xmas to everyone on here, hope santa good to all.

23 Dec 2019 00:38:06
Sorry for touching a nerve mull. it just seems with your posts your batting for Ashley

Happy Xmas to you my friend.

23 Dec 2019 09:29:55
Same to you molsgoals and all guys, gals, and eds on here.
Ps molsgoals are you saying Dave king South African history should be forgotten because it a while ago.

{Ed001's Note - cheers Iom1 have a great holiday all.}

23 Dec 2019 16:41:19
Yes mull forgive and forget . it is the season of goodwill after all. Also with some of the horror stories I have heard about the South African government and courts I wouldn’t be so eager to jump in with them . They have a reputation in regards to British nationals i gather.

23 Dec 2019 20:20:11
OK molsgoals the season of goodwill, Ps I worked in SA during the apartheid system not a nice place, but please remember he faced over 300 charges, and found guilty to 41 of them. The rest were put aside. Each of the 41 carried 2 years jail term, if he didn't have money he would be doing a 82 year stretch. But it was a while ago and its that season.

23 Dec 2019 23:04:05
Well indeed mull that spks for itself then . Any legal system that can bend itself to such shinanegins deserves to be treated with a level of suspicion.
Any so called judge who makes an personal attack on a case likewise.
For the record . many a person of legal standing, and indeed government selected committees have had a good few negative comments to say about Mr Ashley .
Has that stopped him in his quest to make money?
That would be a no . reiterating such rhetoric means zilch in this country never mind a different continent.

24 Dec 2019 10:14:18
To my knowledge Ashley has never faced over 300 charges. It cost DK more than £50m to stay out of the jail. Its not a even world us what I'm trying to say, case 2 SDM can walk away leaving the taxpayer with £800m of debt but still allowed to cherry pick the best bits of empire and leave the dross for the tax payer to pick up the bill. Humbug to these 2 but merry Xmas everyone.

24 Dec 2019 17:14:41
Ok mull definitely humbug to Ashley, but mr king? I really don’t kn where we would be at this time without him . so I for one wish him and all other true rangers supporters ( of which he and the rest of the board undoubtedly are thank god ) all the very best, and no matter what the biggest thank you of thank you s for all you have done to give us something to get excited about in 2019/ 20.

26 Dec 2019 11:33:33
Merry Christmas to everything Rangers, but differing opinions evade from our core problem past and previous. Mr Murray has shown the sloping shoulder to many of our problems. He has left many problems with dk, due to their history. The man is dangerous to our well being and should be exposed.

26 Dec 2019 13:12:33
Merry Xmas to you too bily
What man are you on about billy . David Murray . Mike Ashley., Dave King . DK19 . or Isle of Mull .?
Or is it indeed me Molsgoals. a player of whom if it hadn’t been for that lump of a German keeper could have been the best of all time 👍.

26 Dec 2019 14:37:45
All the best billyb, take care mate.

30 Nov 2019 04:00:03
Would 3.5M be enough to sit on the Rangers board? Not saying it's me just curious not looking for shares in return just pure money returns.

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30 Nov 2019 09:13:05
Not even close imo.

30 Nov 2019 09:57:59
Andy. Very unlikely to make any decent money return, is that amount of shares or cash investment
Also re sitting on board depends what you or person had to offer in terms of skills and attributes.
Look at John greig and Walter smith.

29 Nov 2019 07:36:32
IOM

We rarely agree but this does not make your opinion any less effective or more correct than anyone else.

Say your doomsday take on Rangers commercial potion and stewardship proves correct.

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29 Nov 2019 14:07:26
Mole. seems you have to fall in line on this page, that D Kings the best thing since slice bread.
Don’t and you’re a Dhim.

Recently I’ve agreed in my posts, and given credit to him for improving the clubs ability to compete on level terms on the playing side.

But because I don’t blow smoke up D Kings backside regarding his handling of the clubs finances or botched retail deals, I’m one of the bad guys.

As I’ve previously stated the year on year losses, and multiple share issues were a worry. and I’m the worrying type.

Not asking the blue tinted spec loyal to change their views.
But just respect others.

29 Nov 2019 15:22:53
BB, I'm one of DK's biggest defenders on here and you are wrong if referring to me.

I can't remember reading a post from anyone on here who thinks Dave Kings record is perfect - certainly I haven't.

I have an issue with those who cannot or refuse to give ANY credit to DK and the board for dragging us back from the abyss (when no-one else dared) where Ashley, Green and the Greenock bus boys were screwing the club for their own benefit.

If you or anyone else can ONLY post negative comments about our board and cannot offer a hint of an alternative (to the past 4/ 5 year) then you/ they do not deserve the respect you refer to.

If you have a balanced view with some good but with some concerns then I think you'll fit in with the vast majority and will get the respect from most.

If you make repeated ludicrous claims about share price when the facts are different then you attract criticism and ridicule (Honestly, the earth is not flat! ) .

In my book it works both ways - show respect and consideration of others view and you deserve the same in return.

Same with slaughtering our players when they have a poor game or lose form - telling them how sh*te they are is not in the coaching manual.

29 Nov 2019 16:59:22
Well written dk.

29 Nov 2019 20:19:04
John25, I think the previous post is condescending and arrogant. I cannot believe that "fitting in" is not what this site is about, it is about feeling free to comment, warts and all, without, as IOM states --- the bullies taking over.
There is actually only a few, and I don't include you, but you tend to defend them.

29 Nov 2019 20:33:56
DK19.your positivity on everything D King is admirable. but honestly can’t believe you don’t think earth is flat. seriously!

29 Nov 2019 20:46:12
Billy I stick up for nearly everyone, all have a right to express view.
I am so fed up with the site, it may be time to move on.
There is more manners shown by fans of them than our own. It has changed so much last three months.

29 Nov 2019 21:13:15
John, I have never commented against you, but I believe that a few pro dk, with no tolerance, are causing the grief.
I would advise you, as you did me, to stick by this site and eradicate the over-the-top comments from the few, allowing everyone to comment without condemnation.
After all, we are all Rangers supporters, and entitled to comment on our team amongst "friends".

29 Nov 2019 21:54:35
That’s how I see it billyb.

30 Nov 2019 09:18:40
John, think tolerance works both ways and opinions and debates are welcome.

For me, balance, fairness and open minded views are essential.

Hidden agendas should be put in the spotlight to be seen for what they are.

Imagine a banner on display in Feyenoord or Ibrox that said “Dave King, we do not trust you and think you are flawed”. Amazing support.

30 Nov 2019 10:05:25
Better than banner that was on show at airport, lol.
Dk I wish site settle down a wee bit, each and everyone entitled to views and respect.
Many accuse me of being a king apologist, however, if they follow my posts the will see I disagree with some of his actions.
Notwithstanding my opinion the man and others have been fantastic for us, truly fighting our corner.
Those who have read me for past five years know I said he was man to take us forward, fight the fights and would reach a stage where he handed over our great club to other rangers minded men, with the wherewithal to take us forward.
Next six months key in that.
As u can imagine lots of talk in Holland over a few wines as how that will pan out.
Do not be surprised if king is bought out, ie another takeover.

30 Nov 2019 10:11:23
Dk. U don't respect anyones opinions you're constantly nsme calling and trying to belittle anyone who has a different opinion from you. Its bordering on bullying the way u post eith certain people on here.

30 Nov 2019 11:32:19
Herewego, I am misunderstood!

I respect the vast majority of opinions posted on here, I don’t agree with them all but who cares!

What does bother me is the constant negativity posted by the few - will always challenge this type of view and defend the club.

No apologies 😃.

30 Nov 2019 15:55:37
Some of the slurs aimed at the chair on here from certain areas are not valid opinions but name calling and character assassinations.
Billy DK 19 gave you a compliment for a positive statement, and you through it back in his face . saying to me that you will pick your friends? One post before that you said we were all friends? I don’t think there is any bullying on this site. The Ed would not allow it . Light hearted banter as the ed says sometimes taken out of context but nothing more. The comment Dk19 made about your girlfriend was only an attempt at humour nothing more . The comments on the other pages are sometimes a lot worse . For me it was just mild banter . No offence meant I am sure As billy b said in a previous post we are all friends in the rangers family. We are all hoping for the right results . Cheers boys while respecting all your views, this is my view 👍+Ve.

30 Nov 2019 16:35:57
Molsgoals, personally I thought my girlfriend joke was hilarious but tensions run high on here at times and perhaps some get a bit carried away with their own opinions when challenged.

Some people don’t want to hear others thoughts in which case they should keep their opinions off the public domain.

I have no inclination to attack or bully anyone but others seem to think it ok to slander and attack our board - of course they should be held to account for poor decisions but should also be given credit for the good bits.

Hope that did not come across as condescending or arrogant- it’s just an opinion and a bit of banter 😇.

30 Nov 2019 19:16:42
Molsgoals, a compliment my ass, there is a massive difference between that and being sarcastic. The girlfriend "joke" is as funny as a wet fart.
Only one thing I want to know is why does he, she or it have to hide behind a new label to post under. Like many others, they think a new identity eliminates previous comments.
Time to stand up and admit to previous poster names or has he, she or it not man, woman, thing enough to stand up to their convictions?

30 Nov 2019 19:28:04
Yea I for one kn where your coming from DK19. we’ve all made wrong assumptions on here . all of us. Whether it’s we will win court case . Mr King is going to bring us out of liquidation . the shares are worth x/ y/ z ( see what I did there ) and all the rest . To store them up and wheel them out in some sort of point scoring competition fir me is quite ridiculous. They are val opinions and points of conversation at that time . As I said before none of us knows how things will pan out, and we need to just hope for the best . I take great comfort in the fact that Stevie g holds the chair and board to such a high degree. I think if the chair had told him at the start that we were going to live within our means, and he wasn’t going to get the backing he would have came within a mile of us .
Chair told Stevie the plan and he cane on board now saying he could not have asked for any better support from the board . cheers dk👍.

30 Nov 2019 22:08:21
Molsgoals, Why is positivity fine and negativity (remembering that is an opinion. ) is a cardinal sin?

30 Nov 2019 23:47:08
Honestly billy, I really don’t know what your on about. I gave my opinion, and it seems to be you that is shooting me down in flames. Am I not allowed to consider DK meant no offence .

was mearly having a bit of banter with iom and that he meant his positive text to you in goodwill? Am I not allowed to have these opinions? You see I think this is where the problem lies . as far as I see the so called bullied is actually the bully.

IOM called us the three amigos . banter not a prob . my only quibble with that is I’ve read about a doz posts who also don’t agree with him. granted two or three that do . but that is all good. My question would be why pick on the three amigos.

01 Dec 2019 00:49:49
Billy glass half full half empty should answer your question

While in themselves not a noun . but I think an adjective. Maybe some one more learned than myself might explain . No one is saying that one can’t have a negative slant on things but when it is constant and consistent it can only go down . Positivity takes you up negativity takes you down as I see it . I might be wrong but it’s only again one mans opinion. Blue bear comments about how mr king has spent the finances of the club.
The possible reasoning for the way this has been structured, and adeared to has been put forward on this site by countless posters and by mr king himself at the agm. This strategy is why we are now talking about one of players being valued at 30 mil plus . It was always the strategy to get us onto this platform so our player asset pool has value. Goodness I remember under mr warb. our player pool was worth about 4 mill total.

As for the retail agreements. no one knows what it took to rid us of Ashley out the board . Personally I think Dave had to break some promises to Ashley and manoeuvre this way to get rid . Then face the collateral financial damage . but it being the only way we could dislodge him.

Even then mistakes have been made, and king admits that but again I say if it’s good enough for Steve it is for me .
Finally billy I find it hard to believe even in this day and age of political correctness gone mad that grown men would take offence at a pumping his bird joke .
If it was me it had been directed at, (and it would need to be pumping my my . as a bird is only a disstent memory ) I would have prob just replied with “well at least someone was pumping her ) but again that’s just me . we have all different opinions.
Remember the Celtic fan greza or something that used to post on here. He would always give a negative spin . designed to sow seeds if doubt in the rank and file. That certInly was his agenda . stay cool billy 👍.

04 Dec 2019 11:15:53
well said mols.

28 Nov 2019 00:07:07
So sorry if I've hurt anyone feeling, but I'm not going to let the trinity away with their propaganda. I have the problem with the share price and have been battered from pillar to post. When I highlight the " I'm extremely confident we will win the court case against Ashley", followed by "King has been working for months behind the scene to take the old company out of liquidation" and my favourite" we will get 50p in the pound from a new retail deal". Remember all those boast lads. Their replies are I'm being personal wow I don't have a season ticket or shares so I can't possibly love the club like these guys. My problem is I'm not blinded by the media and their hype, remember these reporters told us Craig Whyte was a billionaire. I read everything about our club good and bad and then make my own mind up. Sorry if this upset some on here, but we got to have both sides of the argument or do we move to North Korea.

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28 Nov 2019 07:09:50
Go for it Mull, Rangers are in your heart, not your pocket.
I have been fortunate in my life, but I am no better a supporter than when I had to tap a few bob to go to games.
You give educated input to the site, so stick by your opinions, and I am not saying that because I agree with most.
Enjoy your debates, and I'll watch with interest. Cheers mate.

28 Nov 2019 07:21:24
I o m it’s cool. Just think how you deliver the message. Respect is a great thing.

28 Nov 2019 07:25:54
I think the problem is mull you seem to focus on the bad all the time. I have concerns about the ongoing fight with the fatman and not being in the position to see out the season without fresh funding BUT we have got a much better football side this season, we're doing well in the league, we're in a cup final, have a chance to get through in Europe. Your of course entitled to your opinion but maybe balance out your comments a bit?

28 Nov 2019 08:17:37
IOM, fair play? But not once have you ever spoken football at our club . Not once have you been positive about anything which makes me think resolution 12 is probably your bag🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.

28 Nov 2019 10:14:02
Mull, no balance whatsoever to your views and credit where credit is due - very poor.

Billyb, at least you give a bit of credit albeit through gritted teeth

John, you are too nice - did you sell fluffy toys in business? Respect has to be earned, he gives none (except to billyb) and therefore deserves none

Mrgrumpy, I'm with you - not perfect but we have come a long way from the brink

Yately, I think you are bang on the money - not even a round of applause when we win on the pitch from Mull.

28 Nov 2019 10:28:10
It’s all about opinions, asking questions and holding the people who run our club to task must be done, but banging on about 6p a share when someone says it’s listed for 18p a share shows you are one sided.

You have an agenda and good luck with it.

28 Nov 2019 10:38:24
give it a rest isle of mull letsjust sit back and enjoy what is happening to our club on and off the park . look forwards not behind you. look who the people are on board at our magnificent club. these men are not fools many of them are wealthy people they are not stupid. there are many self made succesful people on board . many of them love the club as much as you or i! and as for being blinded by the media? not sure about that the media and other clubs have been tryig to bury us for a fewyears now but we are still here getting stronger and stronger ! admittady nowhere near where we could be but we are heading there and many don't like it . 11 million loss last year yes 3 million legal fees yes ok the manky mob lost about the same the only difference being they sold players if we were to sell could you imagine the press reaction and everyone elses? c'mon lighten up very few clubs run at a sizeable profit without selling players fact we will be no different in the near future. follow follow.

28 Nov 2019 11:27:30
Dk mayb I should have gave away fluffy toys done meerkats no harm.

Sold, shares, mortgages, insurances, etc, I genuinely try to be nice.

28 Nov 2019 11:29:46
Briangersfan, here here. Well written mate.

28 Nov 2019 12:14:00
John 25 is the the personal things you don't like?

Time to let us into your wee secret - did Dave King pump your girlfiend in 3rd year?

Cause you seem to enjoy it

Dk that made me laugh.

I'm big enough and studip enough to let's the odd personal attack wash over, take it you might have a problem with that. Then I'm sorry. You asking about the 6 p shares but you never got back to me on the Dave king has been working behind the scenes to bring the old Co out of liquidation DO YOU STAND BY THAT JOHN 25.

28 Nov 2019 13:42:26
Mull, it doesn’t matter what questions you ask - you don’t listen, you don’t accept facts.

You only want to hear negative slants, nothing positive, nothing supportive of the club

You don’t want to hear any other view unless It is against our board.

No balance whatsoever.

28 Nov 2019 13:50:58
Mull, try stopping making it personal. In my opinion, John 25 is pretty genuine and gives a reasonable appraisal on most issues. You are tarring him with the "PETTY" comments of DK19, and he does not deserve that.
Disagree with him, if you see fit, but try to be above the pettiness of others.
Who am I to lecture, as I find it difficult to ignore certain comments, but the pathetic, childish comment made against you about " your girlfriend in 3rd. year" was made by an idiot.

28 Nov 2019 14:10:45
Mull keep it simple, I will not ever reply to you again, I stand by everything I say, however it may be wrong
Reason I laughed is because you as many others say r losing credibility
Cheers billy, guys like you that keep me here.

28 Nov 2019 15:53:41
Sorry Billy but like the school bullies (DK and molsgoals) John 25 loves to jump on the bandwagon. "let's get into this solo voice" of anti Dave King.

28 Nov 2019 16:06:50
Good post John but I'm afraid that I disagree with you on billy.

Has the same agenda as Mull but no credible alternative - call him out on it and you will be called petty, childish or whatever other name he comes up with.

Billy knows of a great number of people who were gagging to take DK's place but no-one did and he can't name names.

I've maintained all along the whilst DK is far from perfect and has made some dubious decisions, he is in it for the right reasons and has risked his own cash in the name of the club - there has been no alternative.

For me, he deserves the support of die-hard old time supporters like billy even if it is tempered with a bit of caution.

By hey, what do I know, billy is old enough to be my dad so I shouldn't question or doubt!

Where to go from here? - no more responses from me to IOM or billy.

28 Nov 2019 17:03:09
Dk because billy does not hold your views or some of mine it’s not an issue.
It’s iom offensive snipes and capital shouting when he never answers a question I don’t take to.
I have spoke to friends in Tobermory who know him and say he is a gers fan who never has much good to say about us. Seldom talks re players.
This is a man I’ve offers to take to Ibrox etc so no more.

28 Nov 2019 20:27:30
John, a wonderful performance and result tonight and I am sure he will disagree? Like I say resolution 12 will be more his bag🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 cheers John👍.

28 Nov 2019 20:57:33
Great result, atmosphere fantastic, thought Alf deserved a penalty, but I’m biased.

28 Nov 2019 23:10:12
Looking at these posts and wow . honestly gents we all admit that we really know nothing and it’s all assumption . so if we think we have won court cases or lost or x or y or z truth is we don’t really know anything .

That is anything other than our stock and overall club value is rising by the Nano second . Dave king loves our club to gigantic proportions. The manager trusts, needs and respects him with all his being. Stevie Gerrard must be from another planet . his press conferences are just beyond words and . and . Porto have to beat Feyenoord for us not to qualify . simple as that.

We have better goal diff ( swing of 4) and a better head to head . how’s that for progression. Lastly for me. I am sorry if you feel you have been bullied mull . certainly not my intention, and I am sure I can speak for the other chaos when I say that . We are all very passionate ( a good thing ) and we can only stand up and try and defend the chair, club, manager etc when we feel they are being unjustly attacked.

Nothing personal my friend so please don’t take it that way if possible . The chair and board can not defend very well defend itself to accusations and assumptions from some supporters, and indeed rival fans . who mostly gave a mischievous agenda . so it’s really nothing more it less than that. None if us will change anything . apart from maybe add or subtract from the positive swing and feel good factor that we are on at the moment.

We are in a great place at the moment but so are they. I really really hope Stevie can stress how important the 8 th is to the players, and bring silverware home to the board and fans 🙏.

29 Nov 2019 14:46:10
It is great that we can compete at this level, again, so with a bit of luck by the end of this month, we will have silverware in the trophy room, boosted our chances of winning the league and qualified for the next stage in Europe.
I suppose many are waiting on the "but" ----- well there is not one, and it not said through gritted teeth as they are in a cup soaking at the moment.
Briliant display last night, so all I will say ---- is keep up the good work lads.

29 Nov 2019 15:24:10
Positivity billyb - I love it!

29 Nov 2019 15:49:46
DK19, I did not say it to seek your approval. I said it because I believe it
The last post you sent in my direction was supposed to be your last so leave it that way please.

29 Nov 2019 18:33:50
Tut tut billiy . let’s be friends . no blood lost 👍🙏.

29 Nov 2019 19:15:49
Molsgoals, I select my friends.

29 Nov 2019 19:49:23
Well said Billy and agree
Molsgoals again thank you
As for DK and John I do hope they keep their word, would be best that way. Great result last night so I'm in a good place and want to stay there lads.

 


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