Rangers banter 4

01 May 2024 14:01:02
A lot of names being mentioned for next season. If as I suspect that Jack, McLaughlin, Wright and possibly McCrorie leave where does that leave us for Europe next season? I confess that I don't quite grasp the rules but I think that we are going to be short unless we sign a few home grown?

01 May 2024 14:37:12
Pc dibble is on the case.

01 May 2024 14:49:23
How many of these 'homegrown' players are actually regular starters for Rangers?
Certainly not Jack, McCrorie or McLaughlin. Wright occasionally?

01 May 2024 15:00:46
Ph, McLaughlin is not home grown

The poster refers to Kieran wright.

01 May 2024 15:06:59
MpH exactly I would rather have King Lowry McKinnon mcausland propping up the bench on Euro night than wright jack etc who won’t play/ contribute and are on big wages. We should be recruiting first team players, whether they are Scottish or not to improve the first team. Fed up of trying to improve the ‘squad’ we need a better first 11. The bench and Europe quota can be made up of 3/ 4/ 5 youths hopefully .

01 May 2024 17:19:13
Todd some the guys u and I name will no longer be counted as youth, but that is good imo.

01 May 2024 18:10:24
John I think the poster was meaning Scott wright.

01 May 2024 20:06:37
Storm, Jack is Butland I think, mb he will clarify.

01 May 2024 13:20:10
Storm is spot on.
Everybody misses chances.
The following is a list of the current top 10 goal scorers in the SPFL.
From defenders to midfielders to strikers.
Tav misses 74% of his chances ( 3 big chances missed ) .
Bair misses 78% of his chances ( 8 big chances missed ) .
Shankland misses 83% of his chances ( 9 big chances missed ) .
Murray misses 84% of his chances ( 7 big chances missed ) .
Sima misses 85% of his chances ( 6 big chances missed ) .
Dessers misses 85% of his chances ( 23 big chances missed ) .
Miovski misses 85% of his chances ( 13 big chances missed ) .
O'Reilly misses 86% of his chances ( 9 big chances missed ) .
Kyogo misses 87% of his chances ( 21 big chances missed ) .
McCowan misses 88% of his chances ( 2 big chances missed ) .
Most prolific striker going by goals per chance? Bair of Motherwell.
You can also see the amount of 'big' chances that Dessers has missed - though we have seen them with our own eyes!
You can also see the downturn in Kyogo's fortune this season - not as prolific and another who has missed loads of big chances.
Not a lot to chose either between Miovski and Shankland - 2 players that a few on here would like Rangers to sign.
We have 3 players in the top 10. But considering not one of the other 2 is a midfielder then we can see where we are shy of goals.
Again, nobody is saying Dessers is the answer going forward. But at this moment in time he's all we have.

01 may 2024 14:22:20
yes he's obviously what we have at the moment, kyogo always steps up when the big moment arrives, that's the difference, stats are great but the only one that matters is the difference between rangers and celtic

dessers plays for rangers as a cf, he will obviously score goals as will kyogo, and now unfortunately idah, the difference is stepping up on the big stage, the crunch, the title decider, dessers should score over 20 goals imo, particularly now when the only viable challenge outside celtic is hearts, and rangers have dominated hearts this season. he must have had some amount of chances to get that 20 odd goals, often open goals and tap ins have been missed with alarming regularity, mainly because he seems unable not to touch the ball 5 times first., but yes he is what he is, far too clumsy to be top class but here now and has scored goals, he's far from alone in the miss stakes, the midfield has been shotshy all season,

01 May 2024 15:13:53
Tom for a few seasons our midfield do not contribute a decent amount of goals or assists, we should have three midfielders capable of ten goals and ten assists per season in all matches.

01 May 2024 15:43:51
Spot on MPH and John27, Celtic’s midfield have contributed something ridiculous like 30more goals than ours in the league.

01 May 2024 17:20:26
Ac this is something we must address.

01 May 2024 17:45:32
Going all out to try and prove that dessers 14 spl goals isn't a part of the problem, certainly would help if midfielders etc chipped in, but would also help if dessers scored more in the league.
We haven't had one striker since our return to top flight score 20+ league goals, tell me that's not part of the problem.
We have won 1 title in 9/ 10 years not had a top goalscorer, but no its not important. 🙄
Some might be happy to go another 10 year, win another 1 title, with our strikers posting measly 13/ 14 goals a season, not me I want the rangers striker to be top of the pile every time. Motherwell, hearts, Aberdeen, celtic,
Killie can find strikers to get 20+ goals in the league, why can't we want that? Should we settle for 2nd best? Never! Some will though, not me.

01 May 2024 18:14:31
Tom is only open goals and tap ins that’s just wrong go and look back at his goals this season.

Also you still need to be in the position for tap ins and open goals.

A tap in goal is the same as a 30 yard screamer it counts as one goal.

John 100% correct the goals coming from everywhere else especially wingers and midfielders is poor apart form sima. That doesn’t suit the narrative to blame dessers for not winning the league if infact we don’t win it.

01 May 2024 18:57:10
I will defend Dessers as I think he has done his bit for us this season. Only other mid to front player that has this season is Sima.

The problem with goals is not Dessers its:

Danilo
Roofe
Wright
Matondo
Mccausland
Lundstrum
Jack
Raskin
Lawrence
Goldson
Soutter
Balagun
Lammers

Not one of these players has scored the amount of goals they should have. Left out Cantwell but he could be on this list as well.

On here we see almost daily posts against Dessers and Tav all season.
Even though they are 2 of the 3 players who have actually stood up and put the ball in the net this season.

Was exact same with Sakala and Tillman last season, two of our best players last season. I just don't get it if I am honest.

01 may 2024 19:40:24
wish you would read posts properly storm, i never said only tap ins, I've said exactly what i think of dessers, lovely guy, scores a few because he plays up front fir rangers in the spl, that's it for me, not quality, diesnt have the touch or skills for quality, exactly like morelos, neither were good football players to me, dessers does a job sometimes, misses countless sitters and loses the ball constantly, that's not quality.

01 May 2024 12:18:02
Regarding a hot topic involving Dessers. First of all the 20 goals he has scored obviously takes the pressure off his failings and the failings seem to point towards his first touch and that leads to chances that fail to hit the net. I actually like his attitude and work rate. Mark hately was never a great footballer but he brought the same magic to the table as he provided that link with super Ally-. Silva is an epic fail alongside dessers as we now know . Wonder if we could keep dessers and provide a partnership up front with an out and out 6 yard box man who has that magic first touch and can play alongside him.

01 May 2024 12:54:03
Most of Dessers goals are 6 yard man goals no? It’s the other finishes where he has time
And a level of finesse maybe required he seems to struggle.

01 May 2024 13:12:40
I think mark hatley was a better player than you give him credit for!

01 May 2024 13:33:25
. He was part of a partnership that was successful and involved providing his skills as an average player at that stage of his career and provided McCoist with 80% of his goals. a great footballer no . part of a great partnership . absolutely.

01 May 2024 14:19:09
A goal every 2 games including some very important goals plus countless assists I'd say Mark Hateley was a very good footballer for us. Great goalscorer great provider and an absolute warrior of a player. Wouldn't have got 9 in a row without him.

01 may 2024 14:23:53
totally disagree with that dc, big hateley was a fantastic footballer imo, and both had the hearts of lions, along with just about every teammate,

01 May 2024 15:02:17
Stopped reading at mark hately was not a great footballer. that's plenty.

01 May 2024 15:02:49
Hateley was a fantastic rangers player.

01 May 2024 15:21:11
agree with you all but the magic words i mentioned were "at that stage in his career". don't see european stats if someone can enlighten me on how great a footballer he was on our european stage . interested to find out.

01 May 2024 15:27:18
The difference between "Great " and "Good" is a very thin line. when he played for us much like gascoigne he was a good footballer. great no. would i take him at that stage after his injury prone career . absolutely. but its just my take.

01 May 2024 15:27:45
Hately was a fantastic player, you don't play for Milan if you are a dud. If we had someone as good as him playing for us, I'd be delighted. I also remember he wasn't getting picked for England due to anti Scottish football bias. Make no mistake, he was a very good player.

01 May 2024 15:58:20
Honestly, your "Mark Hately was never a great footballer" has to be one of the most ridiculous things ever posted on here!

01 May 2024 17:07:07
Hately being that good in the air takes away from how good he was with the ball at his feet, happens to a lot of players, people remember jukebox’s Durie for his work rate but his goal rate at a time when other top strikers at club was phenomenal.

01 May 2024 17:23:50
Decee r you trying to say when at rangers gazza was only a good player.

01 May 2024 17:33:21
Deceee hately played 218 games for rangers scoring 112 goals

Won the leage every season he was at rangers 6
Scored in two Scottish cup finals, we won
Won several league cups

Had around 90 assists. Not bad for a good player imo.

01 May 2024 18:18:01
Mark hately wasn’t a great footballer 😂 that’s plenty.

A lot of fans wanted rid of him in the 1st season took him time but he was a fantastic footballer.

14 years ago last time a striker score 20+ goals for us in a season and that was Kenny miller.

01 May 2024 18:24:22
I'd love a Hately type player in this current squad.

01 May 2024 19:22:01
Ask the English champions, who were going to be first British club to play in Champs League, how good he was against them.

01 may 2024 19:43:03
best since big andy kennedy and billy urquart, maybe not in they're class though.

01 May 2024 10:26:23
Ben Johnson to Crystal Palace all but confirmed.

Another case of nobody having a clue who koppen and clement are after.

01 May 2024 11:25:55
A name I’ve definitely seen on here in the past.

01 may 2024 11:42:52
Occasionally one or two people do have a clue, being a smartass ant clever.

01 May 2024 12:12:50
Just because he chose to go somewhere else does not mean we were no interested.

01 May 2024 12:14:38
How do you know we weren’t after him tjn? Palace more than likely offer more money than us and he wouldn’t need to move either 🤯.

01 May 2024 12:15:20
Or maybe sometimes players choose other clubs.

01 May 2024 13:23:47
Maybe wanted to stay in london.

01 May 2024 13:42:33
Let’s be realistic, what footballer is going to come to Glasgow when there is a contract offer from a premier league side on the table, it’s where any self respecting footballer with ambition wants to be.

01 May 2024 13:46:45
Hold the front page! Player opts to sign for other club after interest from us - It happens all the time. So are you saying there wasn't any interest at all from us just because he opting to sign for Palace?

01 May 2024 13:03:22
How dare we post rumours ………. On a rumours site!

01 May 2024 15:03:12
SBJ jack butland?

01 May 2024 15:51:58
Tjn have you ever posted anything positive or worth noting on this page? Or do you just come with bile?

01 may 2024 19:44:55
the answer to that is no ac, he had a different name fir a while, constant snide digs like an infant, nit a single decent word fir our club, history, even the doctor, oathetic.

01 May 2024 21:52:43
Thought that might be the case TT mate, seen on a later thread he now know’s more than the top cardiologists in the country as well lol.

01 May 2024 08:23:56
The 20+ goals a season striker problem we now have one on 20 and I do think he will score more in last few games so as rangers fans what do we really want? 30 goals now? I couldn’t believe the stat of 4 strikers since 2000 in top league have score 20/ 20+.
Dessers the answer? I don’t think so but it’s his 1st season in this league and he has hit this mark. We can still win the league but will be difficult. If Celtic win the league this season they will not have a striker hit 20+
Goals.
So basically my question is if we don’t win the league is it really the strikers fault? As lot seems to be getting blamed on dessers?


I don’t believe dessers or not getting another striker in jan the reason we don’t win the league just my opinion. Goals need to come from everywhere and other than Tav and dessers and sims have a shot enough goals from el.

01 May 2024 08:29:34
That should say at the end we haven’t enough goals from elsewhere.
Clicked the wrong button🤯.

01 May 2024 08:34:13
For me we seem a bit disjointed, there seems no flow through the team, chance creation is down also, yes when we get a chance big Cyriel can miss, every striker does, he has 20 maybe more before we're done, 20 is gd could be more, but I'd rather he was in place to miss than not, he won't miss them all.

01 May 2024 08:38:14
Good post storm.

01 May 2024 08:40:08
Good post Storm, I think it's a mixture of poor defending and missing chances that should've been taken, also, a it's a big also, the Officials have been hellish this season, not just for us, but for every team.

I hope PC has already identified his targets, I believe I saw something a few days ago saying that we have had initial discussions with a few players about joining us, we'll find out in due course I suppose.

01 May 2024 08:47:48
The thing is, what we really need is a striker that will score at least (if not more than) 20 goals in the LEAGUE, not just across all competitions. Yes Dessers has Improved from what we saw of him under Beale, however if we are being honest he still has a lot of faults. He can’t hit a first time finish. If you look at most of his goals he takes 3 or 4 touches before shooting (other than the one at the weekend and a similar finish against Hibs, both where he couldn’t possibly miss) . He does work hard but too often let's defenders dominate him and just goes down looking for fouls he’s never going to get. Let’s face it, if it wasn’t for his goal on Sunday (which of course was vital) he literally did nothing else all game other than one woeful shot that went no where near goal. If he doesn’t score in a game he usually offers virtually nothing else. He is a decent option to have around, I wouldn’t sell him, but we still need a better first choice pick.

01 May 2024 08:57:23
Nothing to do with not signing striker in January, more to do with picking players who are out of form and have no fight, to get league won, same culprits as usual, but we keep picking them, no creativity in mid field. we go on about how poor a team they are, so what does that say about us. can't see anyone doing us a favour plus can't see us beating them in next 2 games,

01 may 2024 09:41:18
combination of a few issues, dessers needimg 2 mins to control a ball doesn't help him or the guys around him as he stops everything immediately, when its put on a plate he scores, there never usually any great skill to his goals, he can't miss really, people forget how often the ball is in the opposition box particularly at ibrox, the midfeild don't know how to shoot exception possibly i'm diamonde, the wingers don't exist with exception of cortes and the defence is 2 years out of date, celtic and rangers are a pale shadow of former teams, guys like dessers score so many goals mainly because they play against such poor opponents and get 20 chances per game, sometimes more, imo shankland is vastly better player, but he's the only one outside old firm who has any quality, maybe miovski, at this moment in time the rangers centre forward, who plays virtually every game and is virtually guaranteed an abundance of opportunities, often from a couple of yards out should absolutely be scoring a barrowload, let's put it this way, if dessers somehow can't make 25 before the seasons out i would be very surprised . i dread to think the amount of sitters missed so far.

01 May 2024 09:49:11
Gers78 I am not saying dessers should be 1st choice strike next season as we need better. It was 20+ goals a season and now you are changing it to the league only. Only one player so far has 21 goals shanks then Tav at 17 then dessers 14. Celtic best goalscorer is O’Reilly and they are favs to win the league he has 13 goals. So having a 20+goalscorer in the league only is not needed this season anyway.

Gers58 I agree people do say how poor a team they are but it must make us worse at the moment as they are 3 points a head I have never understood that. I think both teams are very poor and unfortunately at the moment we are just a bit worse than them.

01 May 2024 09:49:53
I agree with that fork it would be worse if he wasn’t getting in the positions.

01 May 2024 10:08:42
He has his faults but a big part of the problem is that we rely on him for goals. If we had 2 wide players or a CM who consistently chipped in with goals then his misses wouldn’t be discussed as much. His 20 goals would be looked at with a different slant as we would be top of the league. For me he isn’t the answer moving forward but he’s just a part of the jigsaw that has pieces missing.

01 May 2024 10:13:07
Some of our defending this season has been dreadful.

01 may 2024 10:19:49
i don't particularly think they are better, as proven by europe, i just totally believe there's a large gulf in heart and courage,

01 May 2024 10:31:59
its about big chances missed will
danilo coming back make the difference lammers on loan there was
a time we talking about giving him away now 3 mill looks a possiblity
hagi will he come back if not how much can we expect any truth in tav and goldson leaving again even 10
mill for both we need to be looking
very careful.

01 May 2024 10:48:22
If we don't win the league it's not Dessers fault. Poor defending lost us vital games. Threw it away!

01 May 2024 11:08:25
You are spot on, Storm.
To win titles you need goal scorers all over the park ( and a decent defence ) .
In the last 10 seasons, 5 top goal scorers have been with the team that won the league.
SPFL League Winners / Top Goal Scorer
2013/ 2014 – Celtic / Commons
2014/ 2015 – Celtic / Rooney
2015/ 2016 – Celtic / Griffiths
2016/ 2017 – Celtic / Boyce
2017/ 2018 – Celtic / Boyd
2018/ 2019 – Celtic / Morelos
2019/ 2020 – Celtic / Edouard
2020/ 2021 – Rangers / Edouard
2021/ 2022 – Celtic / Giakoumakis
2022/ 2023 – Celtic / Kyogo
2023/ 2024 -? / currently Shankland.

01 May 2024 11:37:00
Dessers has 14 goals in the league, not 20. However he must have 100's of misses which is not good enough and potentially cost us the league.

Our RB has the most in the team and fair enough he takes penalties and freekicks but I wouldn't want Dessers taking our penalties or freekicks LOL.

Cant blame the defence either since we have allowed the least amount of goals.

The other main thing has been ref/ var decisions which are all over the place but big calls against Celtic were shocking.

Dessers needs replaced asap, sooner rather than later!

01 May 2024 12:07:49
Totally agree Storm and similar to what I was saying the other day about wide players being the issue.

For folks going on about misses. Seen a stat on MOTD that Haaland has missed 40 big chances this season. All strikers miss chances, good ones keep putting themselves in positions to get more. Dessers has done that.

Disagree with Dessers only scoring easy goals, he has scored lots of really good goals from low xG this season.

01 May 2024 12:20:43
TT good post apart from he only scores ones he can’t miss as that’s just not true and shankland being a better player than dessers I don’t believe he is tho he is a better goalscorer

Ally who said he had 20 goals in the league? You wouldn’t want dessers taking pens? He has scored 2 from 2 this season 🤯 also no one is saying dessers should be number one striker going forward.

01 May 2024 12:21:44
Good stats as always MPH if we had a striker scoring 30 goals in a season on here then someone would moan he should have scored 40 unfortunately it’s just the way it is.

01 May 2024 13:25:14
Glad that dessers has scored this amount, but he gives the impression sometimes of not thinking quick enough in the box, and appears to " dither" rather than quickly shoot. Not sure if a strike partner would help, would Phil have to change formation. We definitely need more goals from the team, and have for years now.

01 May 2024 13:40:10
Storm a can't believe your asking the question what do we want 30? Geezo! Of course we want 30, or should we leave that to the big boys like kyogo and shankland, settle for 2nd best. What an attitude to have mate, not wanting our striker to hit the numbers we know are possible. Mph good stats but what your stats prove is that if you have the top goalscorer in the league you have a 1 in 2 chance of winning it? So that rules us out of 5 of them right away because we've never had a top goalscorer since we came back up. Nobody's blaming dessers for anything, the guys done ok, but all that first player since carry on doesn't make it an achievement it just highlights our failures to find a top class striker. Next you'll be telling us it's OK to have the 2nd best defence, midfield as long as it's better than years gone by. 14 league goals is not nearly good enough, alf was posting similar numbers for years, wasn't good enough so we got rid. Still none of you answered the question of why colak was slaughtered on here by you both, with one less goal than dessers, why is that?

01 may 2024 14:56:30
i thought colak was the most natural finisher we have had in many years, somne say he had other issues and i can't argue with that because i don't know, but what a goalscorer.

01 May 2024 14:58:16
Colak was slaughtered because he refused to play if he stubbed his toe, BoyBlue.
Loads slated Morelos for being unfit but he also rolled his sleeves up and played with injuries in his final season because we were down to the bare bones up front because of Colaks reluctance to play for the cause.
You rated Colak and yet someone you don't rate has the same amount of league goals and has scored more in all competitions.
Now I don't think Dessers is the answer going forward. He has limited ability but continually works hard for the team. But going by goals scored he's better than Colak who you rated?

01 May 2024 15:07:12
Boy blue u have been told by many on here he feigned injury so not to play, u seem to choose to ignore this

Doing same in Italy. We were well rid.

01 may 2024 15:17:03
shankland, imo, organises his attack and midfield expertly, he's a good footballer imo, way ahead of dessers, but that's my take.

01 May 2024 18:07:39
John that was a rumour mate, take all roumers on here way a pinch of salt tbh.
Mph, I never fully rated colak, my debate at the time is he was better than alf and his goal to game ratio was better than alfs in league. Never once said I don't rate dessers either, my point was people getting carried away with 20 goals in all comps as if it was some achievement pretty simple.

01 May 2024 18:25:31
Boy blue where did I say I don’t want a striker to score 30? Maybe learn to read the post before posting bs mate.
Who is getting carried away with dessers scoring 20 we have all said we need better. You really don’t read much on here by the looks of it.


Ps he has scored more than Kyogo this season 🤯.

01 may 2024 19:47:13
kyogo scored about 30 secs into an old firm game, again, that's the difference.

01 May 2024 03:20:55
English midfielder Callum O'Hare, 25, who is a target for Aston Villa and West Ham, has told Coventry City he will leave the club on a free transfer this summer. BBC.

Good player we'd been linked with, had two good seasons in the with cov but don't think can compete with those wages. Some
Good championship players out of contract this summer but I'm a bit scarred by the EC.

Been our hunting ground too long. Too many flops and so so's think we need to move away from the English market and I think the manager will bring us hungry players from markets we haven't previously explored.

An optomist Rangers man here looking forward to Some fresh young talent coming in with no misconceptions of our league that itl be easy.

01 May 2024 10:22:58
That market seems to be overpriced, and overrated. too many poor players from it in recent years. I feel there's much better value abroad.

01 May 2024 10:33:42
really hope to get deals done early
bed them in and ready for new season.

01 May 2024 12:22:43
Agreed mark good post.

01 May 2024 13:10:01
Also a celtic target.

01 May 2024 12:36:13
Looks like we will be sending Lawrence and Dowell back to Championship. Would O'Hare be a massive upgrade? I think he could do a job. Dani de Wit from AZ Alkmaar could do a job too for a fraction of wages if your looking for a solid bosman.

01 May 2024 15:08:05
Well said sir struth.

30 Apr 2024 21:50:37
@davie1980,

Laszlo benes is a centre mid. Got 13 goals and 11 assists I'm 25 games for hamburg this season. Captain of Slovakia national team. Scored a few free kicks this season as well.

Gabriel misehouy is a winger. Don't know much about him other than a few big clubs were sniffing about him a couple of years ago.

Juan miritello is a striker on loan in Greece from Argentina. 13 goals in 23 league games. Argentinian.

01 May 2024 06:19:05
He wouldn't get to take any free kicks unless James "it's ma baw" tavernier is punted 🤣.

01 May 2024 09:23:34
not sure why Tav is getting it in the neck he is the best option we have for penalties and freekicks. i am sure if there was better than Tav in the team he would be nominated and not Tav.

01 May 2024 10:37:17
Misehouy isn't a winger. He's an 8/ 10 that's played left if needed.

01 May 2024 11:29:49
Thanks baxter 1992. Seems the players you mentioned look good at least on stats. Here's hoping this is the type of player gers are looking at.