Rangers Debates 4

13 Dec 2025 13:42:52
Goallies make mistakes as do strikers. who gets the worst flack.? the goallie. Butland is class. he plays behind the worst defence we have ever had and you can see his edge come out. even a short pass can be a bad choice. So for me Butland is an excellent keeper. Do I feel he should have came off his line for Ferenc's 2nd goal. Yup.

no doubt in my mind as Fernandez is a back up centre half at best and Djiga is a nightmare. So he should have out and grabbed that ball or punched it into the stands. overall even a worthy captain imo. now let's replace all of that defence. A quality attacking midfielder and a striker who can control the 6 yard box. Then its game on for the league.

13 Dec 2025 14:07:37
Butland needs replaced deecee.

13 Dec 2025 14:23:39
I'd sign Pierce Charles now, as we won't afford him very soon.

13 Dec 2025 15:45:31
I really think we've much bigger problems than Butland.
That defence is woeful!

13 Dec 2025 16:37:27
My Star is Charles not available on freedom of contract on December 31st.

13 Dec 2025 17:14:15
Not sure Aphelion, but wouldn't it be June?

13 Dec 2025 17:18:11
I'd like him signed, but number two to begin with.

13 Dec 2025 19:21:23
June 27.

13 Dec 2025 19:37:41
I think we could sign him on a pre-contract, and he'd then join in the summer, my star. Could be wrong, though.

13 Dec 2025 19:53:43
Who gets more flack? Have u seen the abuse all our Strikers get. Butland hardly takes any stick because he makes saves. Deserves the criticism he does get tho because his kicking is awful and he doesn't command his box. Not a priority to change at the moment as we've bigger issues. Hear good things about Charles but haven't watched him myself.

13 Dec 2025 20:30:55
I believe that we are allowed to approach anyone who's contract ends in June on December 31st.

They would only then be registered upon the end of their current contract.

13 Dec 2025 21:19:03
100% mark he is the least of our problems.

13 Dec 2025 22:11:18
Aphelion i just thought you meant his contact was up then mate, plenty of out of contact players from the mls on that date.

12 Dec 2025 23:04:11
A was reading on here the other day about supposed fans throwing their towels in the ring, we'll get it up yees because the straights be broad and narrow follow we will.

13 Dec 2025 01:18:32
😂😂👏🏻.

13 Dec 2025 01:19:22
We are Rangers, super Rangers, no one likes us we don't care
We hate Celtic

Am an anti bigot a can't sing the next bit 😂.

13 Dec 2025 02:59:57
🤐🤐👀👀.

13 Dec 2025 07:56:19
And the straits too.

12 Dec 2025 20:28:51
I have not been coming on here that much as I have learnt when our team isn't doing well this site can get toxic. In the past I can probably include myself in that.

We are reaching that time of year when it's supposed to be the most wonderful time of the year. This is not the case for everyone. And my heart goes out to these people (regardless of what team they support).

This time of year can bring hardship and sadness to a lot of people, so on this site and others you may find people lashing out. Take a wee minute before replying to them and instead of attacking back. Send them a hug.

One person who sticks in my mind from this site is Nessbear (I know there will be others) and reason being his picture showed he was in hospital and looked unwell. He was a great poster and shared his illness on here.

I don't want to make this long winded (maybe to late for that lol).

All I am asking is for a bit of compaction and understanding.

Sharing my love to all as football won't help me have a better Christmas.

Peace out.

12 Dec 2025 20:45:17
I was thinking about Nessbear recently.

12 Dec 2025 20:47:26
Wise words White Horse.

12 Dec 2025 21:16:12
Great Post Horse and well said, glad tidings to you and yours bud👍👍.

12 Dec 2025 21:17:14
Remember the guy who had said about his health, seemed an older chap, name was "mols or Mols goals" I think he sadly passed too. Lovely man.

Thoughts go out to absent bears ❤️🤍💙.

12 Dec 2025 23:03:05
Great post my friend, I wish you and the family the very best.

13 Dec 2025 02:51:31
Good post white horse. Can remember Nessbear from when I first came onto the site and was someone I looked for.

13 Dec 2025 12:22:13
Great post wh.

13 Dec 2025 15:55:58
Good post horse.

13 Dec 2025 21:13:47
Great post White Horse.

12 Dec 2025 12:57:56
I disagree Angus that we didn't have the foundations in place to build on. Took over a team still comfortably runners up, was European quarter finalists even under a rookie group of pundits, had assets which made around £30m in sales which we've not had for ages and a scouting network which was beginning to show fruits under Koppen.

Yes a lot more was needed to improve us but the foundations of a good club and team was there. They instead ripped it all up and it's going to a long time to repair the damage.

12 Dec 2025 13:29:46
Agreed - they ripped up the model Clement/Koppen had been building and went shopping in England again with disastrous results. Set us back a long, long way.

Easy to blame Thelwell and Stewart, but you've also got to look at who hired them and why they thought it was a good idea. Terrible judgement.

12 Dec 2025 14:39:46
Kaiser I mean we didn't have chief exec in position, director of football and all of the other foundations that larger clubs in Europe have. so we had to get those and in this case we made the wrong choices it seems.

we had Koppen who I thought did a good job but he didn't fit into the structure they were looking for it seems. read last year's posts on here on how he was ciriticised as well but with rosy retrospection he is seen to be very good (he was btw).

I agree that we shouldn't have gotten rid of all our experienced players and made such wholesales changes and it is what our owners have held their hands up to. we lost all our players who have built up experience in Europe which is why we are struggling there this season, that and being out of form generally. same in the league we keep talking about not getting the league but then don't give anyone time to experience it and get it.

if it is so different as is claimed then there will be few players who come in and just get it instantly. but aria on here last year's team was rubbish and we wanted wholesale changes then. we got what we asked for but didn't buy any experience to support the young signings who were always going to struggle initially.

I have said for ages we need to build on the good players who we buy and add 2-3 every year. I still think with the right signings to support some will come good especially if Rohl gets time between games to actually coach.

we constantly as a club rip things up and start again whenever we go through any bad patch with a manager rather than try to work through it. we need to learn to do that and we will have more success over years than failure. don't just sack the manager every time we don't win the league.

people say it has taken 6 months to destroy the club so why in 6 months can it not be possible to get back and beyond where we were. the right men at the top and a few correct experienced signings to guide the young lads through games.

12 Dec 2025 15:28:36
100% correct Kasier.

12 Dec 2025 14:18:57
Martin was one hell of a sliding door moment.

12 Dec 2025 14:20:02
Look all you want, what will that achieve. its done now, we got rid of the main culprits and starting again. noone including the 49ers wanted to be here in this situation. it is what it is and we just need to get on with it. hopefully a couple of decent starters in January.

12 Dec 2025 16:41:03
Point was though that they did have foundations in place. Now it's a lot worse tho I believe the right manager is finally in place. Problem is what to do with the squad having just made 14 terrible signings, u can't just scrap and replace.

12 Dec 2025 18:54:22
Kaiser again we are discussing different elements; there is a theme here. The team had a foundation although the fans wanted rid of them all; oh and got their wish. The new owners wanted and still do it seems a model similar to what most large European teams have in place and we didn't have that as our senior execs tended to be the fan/shareholders.


as I say I don't think history will show we have 14 terrible signings. some will come good once they get used to the demands of the club and the fans and once a couple of old heads come in.
keep the best and add 2-3 every season/window. should have done that this season. you know keep Dessers who was rubbish etc 😉.

12 Dec 2025 18:56:25
Good points Kaiser. Thelwell Martin have done untold damage.

12 Dec 2025 19:09:04
Angus just want to point out purely because I've seen it on here a couple of times and heard it amongst friends a few times Dessers has been injured all season and is only come back in the last two games so he would have made much difference to our predicament.

12 Dec 2025 20:18:23
I agree a lot needed built on and signing so many was a mistake but there were the foundations put in place by Koppen etc so it wasn't just the team they scrapped. Now Rohl doesn't have the foundations of a good team on or off the park in place.

12 Dec 2025 22:11:55
Kaiser I agree and it hurts me as much as others that we are so poor but I can't do anything about it so try to reduce the hurt by seeing a slightly more rosy future. The team also year wasn't as bad as was made out on here and in the broader support and we should have just added to that. this is the reason I still think that we need to give players time to prove one way or another if they can make it.

Rohl will decide that in due time. there are good passages of play as well even last night which shows we can do it but need it more often and then the individual mistakes. we will get there but slower than most think and probably faster than I do.

12 Dec 2025 22:38:05
The real headscratcher for me given we don't want a rebuild each season was. the number of loans which along with any out of contract s would straight away mean replacing 7or8 before even considering any not making it or being sold on.

So even if they do turn round to be successful we'll need another 10-12 next year anyway. It just shows the scale of the job he has and why I think more people will be much more willing to give him time others maybe didn't deserve.

13 Dec 2025 01:20:59
Ehl, not a slight against u mate just a question bro.
Did u not think Martin would be a great appointment before he started?
As I say nothing against u you're one my favourite posted n here I'd never do that I'm just wondering did u say that?

13 Dec 2025 08:35:33
Kaiser I can only assume the loans were down to one of 2 things: first being the finance to buy all the players across the whole team we needed (another reason to not replace everyone at once). however more likely imo it might be because our targets weren't available that year but there will be out of contract players this year or perhaps just with one year left on contract.


I think Souttar will be resigned to maintain stability and wonder if we can sign Meghome and Cornelius which reduces turnover and they have had a season to 'get the club'
2-3 in January might mean we have a stable base in summer as well.

13 Dec 2025 09:06:57
Stevie, I don't think I've ever had anything positive to say about Martin.

He has an awful reputation within the game.

From the point it was rumoured to be him I avoided most of the threads on him and from the moment he was appointed I tried to remain optimistic.

However, I think I was one of those who were most vocal about my concerns around the damage he was causing.

13 Dec 2025 10:42:48
I can 100% confirm what EHL says. Remember mainly as I was trying to stay positive on it and he stopped getting back to me as he thought I was having digs. I wasn't and hope we can chat again and I can bug him about tactics etc.

13 Dec 2025 13:50:42
Ehl no worries mate thanks for reply.

As I say I was just asking as I thought I remembered someone who knew of the appointment being quite positive about him.

13 Dec 2025 15:17:15
It's good to see you back Angus!

12 Dec 2025 10:25:47
After watching that last night I am off to see the hynotist, hoping to come back with a different mindset and convinced the majority of our players are not really dross they are in fact average.

12 Dec 2025 09:01:22
Danny Rohl is astute enough and a clever enough young head coach to know he needs to sign at least one centre half with experience in january, as well as him wanting to keep big soapy, which i also agree with, just my opinion 🤔He definitely needs another striker as Danilo ain't a central striker for me and Chermiti just hasn't done anything to warrant being an 80k striker, never mind a mind blowing £8million striker 😲 Just as the most natural goalscorer we have at Rangers, bojan Miovski was starting to score and find his feet as our central/natural no.9 striker, he gets injured last night ☹️If it wasn't for bad luck, we'd have no luck at all 👎I rate Miovski and do like him and it was always going to take time with him, as he hadn't played much football with his last club girona, previous to his move to us 🤔 He's now got himself much fitter ie.

match fitter and got used to his new teammates at Rangers and just a pity he's now picked up an injury ☹️Hope he's not sidelined for long 🙏.

12 Dec 2025 10:28:31
The only time I heard Chermiti's name last night was when he came on, To think I used to slag Ally Scott and Martin Henderson i'd take anyone of them over Chermitis, One of our worst deals EVER.

12 Dec 2025 13:31:14
Two starting CB's and a CDM on my Christmas shopping list.

Get that right we can go for RB, RW, ST, AM in the summer.

12 Dec 2025 15:30:00
Miovski needs to learn
How to hold the ball up which he can't do none of our strikers can and that's why we alway had the ball coming back at us last night. We couldn't get up the pitch.

12 Dec 2025 18:56:10
or our defenders and midfield need to play to our forwards strengths. we moaned that Dessers couldn't hold it up but like Miovski he ran channels really well. not as good though at balls punted forward at throat level. can't understand why though.

12 Dec 2025 18:56:11
£80k a week for Chermiti? Is that what you're claiming?

12 Dec 2025 19:05:05
Scott. I read it as not worth 80k never mind 8 million.

13 Dec 2025 01:21:30
Aye 80k a dug meet cause he's mince 😂😂.

12 Dec 2025 07:34:55
Another miserable performance in the EL.
The galling thing is we are not being beaten by quality sides ( apart from Roma ).
That is meant as no disrespect to the other sides we have faced.
But more enforces how far we have fallen at this level and the downgrade in the squad.
The only highlight was the goal when we attacked with purpose rather than the normal slow, ponderous approach.
You can't compete at this level no matter the opposition when:-
Your goalkeepers distribution was terrible.


Your CHs were all over the place at times.
Your Captain, no matter where he plays has no positional sense.
Your midfielders have plenty of bite and tenacity but not much else. They offer nothing going forward.
A player like Danilo who is Brazilian in name only.
And an £8 million striker who can't score and is brought on to rescue a point.
Rohl has his work cut out just keeping us in contention for the league, never mind actually winning it.

12 Dec 2025 08:16:21
didn't see the first half but the second half is probably the most disjointed i've seen Rangers since Rohl came in for the brann game. Couldn't keep hold of the ball and was really scrappy, seemed they were one pass away from a big chance every time they went forward.

12 Dec 2025 15:30:46
They were a good team mph not saying great but a good team and have scored a lot of goals in Europa league this season.

11 Dec 2025 23:13:03
3 cheers not been on in a while hope he is ok. Please come back as Shota is poor parody for you 😆 (joke)

11 Dec 2025 23:58:35
Best stick to your big bangers love.

12 Dec 2025 15:34:08
Another boring joke. at least 3 cheers would have come back with something so much better 😴.

12 Dec 2025 18:18:24
A boring joke is better than that wee crabbit face you seem to emulate strom.

11 Dec 2025 22:18:02
Very poor performance tonight. Lots of work to do in January.

11 Dec 2025 22:27:07
And we're not even close to the perihelion 😉.

11 Dec 2025 22:31:22
Yes mate 100 % need 2 start from the back with new defenders.

11 Dec 2025 22:50:13
Fork is this coldo being too stupid again to realise that his names are so obvious that he can be spotted so easily. glad that we are teaching our 15yo astronomy in school though😉.

11 Dec 2025 23:21:52
Yes Fork unfortunately due to Thelwell it may now take another full orbit to get us into European competitiveness.

11 Dec 2025 23:48:04
Just focus on league games, few players added in January, hopefully Celtic qualify for the next stage of Europa, I'd be playing squad players the next couple of games in Europe, hopefully Sterling remains fit and Souttar returns very soon, 13/2 for St Mirren on Sunday, worth a punt, could be 3 loses out 3 for the new manager.


If we do manage to win the league, good chance we go straight into the champions league, still a big ask, but that would make a big dent in the difference between both clubs finances.

12 Dec 2025 00:00:04
It's also a rock band fae a certain country, one with lots a snow.

12 Dec 2025 07:11:39
If we manage to win the league. Jesus thanks for the laugh Mystar, needed that after watching that shower of jimmy white.

We will be lucky to be 3rd with these players.

12 Dec 2025 08:20:20
No Angus I am not the sites resident Celtic supporter. Does he not usually have usernames that in someway reference the worst point in our clubs history.

Thanks for calling me stupid on post 1.

12 Dec 2025 09:04:13
Jesus Asa, back at it already.

12 Dec 2025 09:20:11
no he doesn't he uses names like boomerang as well. so you decided just to come on for the first time after a European defeat. just call me a cynic then. time will tell.

12 Dec 2025 10:13:03
Bigbluejim you always make me smile with your post 😁😁😁 look at them over in the dark side, so this league can't be won, deary dear Bigbluejim 🤣.

12 Dec 2025 10:43:39
Great to see new posters like Aphelion and Arcadia joining the site.

Or maybe I should say rejoining the site (with new usernames).

12 Dec 2025 15:33:29
Yeah Celtic ain't gona spend a penny in Jan or hearts it will just be Rangers.

12 Dec 2025 13:47:13
Star I'm not looking at anyone else in our league as all I need to do is look at my team and see that this bunch will not keep winning consistently enough and will most likely bottle some of our bigger league matches. That is enough for me to know we won't win it this year even though Rohl has done a good job.

12 Dec 2025 16:51:07
Bigbluejim, Souttar and Sterling back soon or back, a few players in January could make a massive difference, but we need to win games constantly from the now until January, will probably draw as well but let's see how many points we are from Celtic in January, should be 3 points from Celtic on Monday, beat them in January wouldn't be far from the top of the league.

12 Dec 2025 19:14:26
I like the optimism Star, but after watching this lot I'm pretty much out of that and see these lot for what they are. Imposters.