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17 Dec 2025 22:06:15
Noticed you haven't posted for a few days Fork. Hope you are well mate.
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17 Dec 2025 22:39:25
Noticed that.
I hope he's alright.
17 Dec 2025 23:05:39
Think he was posting 2 days ago guys 👍.
17 Dec 2025 23:35:59
Fork was talking to me yesterday I'm sure.
16 Dec 2025 22:32:30
Just watched some old videos and came across Gabriel Amato. What a player he was. Possibly the most skilful player we have had. On his day he was unstoppable.
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16 Dec 2025 23:53:48
He was my favourite for 2 years he was with us.
McCoist once wrote in his Sunday mail column that if he had the pace of Ronaldo he'd be the best in the world
Tend to agree.
17 Dec 2025 01:06:31
Laudeup Mols better
Amato was good but very inconsistent that's why he pretty much failed overall at the club.
17 Dec 2025 07:04:31
Mols for me too.
17 Dec 2025 17:00:55
Mols could turn a defender in a phone box👌👌.
17 Dec 2025 18:45:46
Both fantastic players, just the men to excite the fans, sadly today's player more likely to kick it back to the keeper than have the balls to take someone on.
17 Dec 2025 21:54:11
We had some great players back in the day.
17 Dec 2025 23:36:15
Imo Mols would have went on to play for Barcelona or Real Madrid if he didn't get that injury.
An absolute scandal as I think oli khan meant that as a foul. He obviously didn't mean to injure him but he meant the foul as it happened.
18 Dec 2025 01:04:49
Watp62, aye while making a phone call.
16 Dec 2025 19:10:49
Looking ahead to next season i'd be seriously looking for a goalkeeper someone who can command his box and comes of his line. Butland is a good shotstopper but I think we need better.
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16 Dec 2025 22:23:31
OWS so does the new better keeper have to be able to stop shots as well? be interesting to compare the goals he has prevented by stopping shots and those he has been part of conceding by not commanding his box and comes off his line.
17 Dec 2025 01:07:28
Keepers don't really come for crosses anymore. Defendera need to be better.
17 Dec 2025 01:08:22
Butland is an average to good keeper we've had way better but hard to find them for reasonable price now.
17 Dec 2025 06:50:49
Butland is up there in terms of shot stoppers but he doesn't have the grit and aggression that the likes of McGregor and Goram had.
17 Dec 2025 07:05:50
Not a priority area for me. i'd start with what's in front of him.
17 Dec 2025 08:04:43
Come on Angus obviously he needs to be good at stopping shots. But that's only one aspect of a good GK. Without wishing to hammer him as I do think he's decent I also do agree we need better. He's a poor communicator and doesn't marshall his defence in front of him who have often been caught out of position. He doesn't control his area well which was particularly seen last season as teams targeted him with balls into 6 yrd box and we conceded lots of set pieces. And his distribution is extremely poor and has led to loads of chances and goals.
If he was better at the other aspects perhaps many of those shots could be prevented in the 1st place. A bit like a defender being praised for a last gasp saving tackle but forgetting it was his mistake that led to the chance to begin with. Last season he made huge errors in just about every game and granted while his form has been better this season again those weaknesses in his game are still there.
17 Dec 2025 15:58:02
I hope we have someone lined up in case we get an offer for Butland but can't see another first team keeper coming in when Butland is probably one of the highest paid players in the team.
17 Dec 2025 16:19:20
Too many keepers punch the ball these days and hat catching balls through crosses or saves. One that does the lot we can't afford. McGregor weakness was coming from crosses also.
17 Dec 2025 17:29:23
Kaiser I expect my GK to stop shots as that is the most obvious route to goal. There are very few GKs who come for crosses and tbh very few of the legends we speak about did.
I also expect my defence to marshal themselves and to blame the GK for not organising them is patently ridiculous. and to quote Storm forth the night how do you know he isn't communicating as you can't hear him above crowd.
so are you saying that every shot that a keeper saves is down to them not organising the defence in front of him.
does that mean we don't need a coach at all as the keeper should do it 😂😂🙈.
also please don't look at the current English no1 GK teams stats then for his club.
he was poorer last year but has got his form back this year.
tbh I don't care if he stays or not as people at the club make that decision but some of the arguments on whether he is good or not just make me belly laugh.
17 Dec 2025 19:05:20
One way or another we will be looking at GK's. I am sure I read Kelly is OOC this summer on here, plus he will want to secure a spot for World Cup so as someone else has said a loan might be put in place, would we bring two in at same time? Not sure.
16 Dec 2025 13:02:00
Just relised hearts have played a game more than us. We beat them and win our game in hand we be 3 points behind. We have played a game more than Celtic but if beat them were only 3 points behind. Few qaulity january signings and the results go our way then you just never know troops.
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16 Dec 2025 13:41:34
I agree Davie but remember we thought we had quality signings in the summer.
16 Dec 2025 15:32:35
They catch up with us tomorrow night Davie.
16 Dec 2025 16:41:25
If Celtic win Stevie, got 6/1 for United on Sunday, his players haven't got a clue on his style of play, this is Celtic's Russell Martin mate, he didn't have the best win percentage in the mls either, his team loses some amount of goals as well, scored 2 conceded 5 against St Mirren and Hearts.
16 Dec 2025 17:03:26
My star, looks like you were spot on about Nancy.
Hopefully, he stays long enough to ruin their season.
A few weeks ago our season looked over. Celtic were doing so well under Martin.
We need to go on a winning run now.
16 Dec 2025 17:23:51
Star they had a spell after they scored where they managed to play his style okay. they leave man on man at the back when they attack which was where St Mirren had success. Once the players manage to understand how to balance that and also not just play ball forward too quickly they will improve.
re win percentage he won 51% in his manager career whereas Le Bris sits around 38% with a lot of them at a French B team. not a dig at Sunderland or Le Bris but you can use it as a stat when the level of teams they were at is lower in the league hierarchy. Goals against per game is 1.47 to 1.12 for le Bris. goals for is Nancy 1.9 to 1.30 Le Bris.
so time will tell but I hope they take a while to get there and their fans act like we do when we aren't winning 😉.
16 Dec 2025 17:30:28
I think we are all going to be disappointed in Jan.
16 Dec 2025 17:45:20
Angus maybe if they brought him in the summer, I would have keep O'Neill for this season, massive gamble at this stage of the season, it could become better once he gets players in but hopefully they drop points the next couple of games, and lose against us on the 2nd, I'm just glad it's Nancy and not O'Neill.
16 Dec 2025 18:18:06
Beale I went again with 3-1 2-1 and 3-2 united with their striker to score or assist anytime
I think they lose again mate.
I see Nancy being sacked on Monday the 4th January and O'Neil borough back in.
16 Dec 2025 18:34:36
I think whether or not fans will be disappointed will depend on each person's expectations of the window. 3 maybe 4 incoming players could make or break our season. i'm more optimistic going into the window with our manager having the say than the muppet that left.
16 Dec 2025 18:35:20
my star I agree but think of Rohl and how he has improved us greatly when starting mid season. we now play a 3 rather than a back 4 as well. I hope it takes a few more games but they will eventually get it. however the issue is if the Celtic fans react as we did for Martin then it would be chaos. even if it is against the board the players feel it.
tbh I am not 100% sure how well MON would have dealt with those 3 games. they should have won against Hearts anyway given amount of play and chances they had, were never beating Roma. would the belief of St Mirren have been overcome by MON, tbh I am not 100% sure.
16 Dec 2025 18:35:44
Stevie, what's the lottery numbers? 😆.
16 Dec 2025 20:09:02
Angus he loses or even draws before us and loses against us, he'll probably won't get more time mate, the Celtic fans will be rioting if that happens.
16 Dec 2025 20:10:03
Mark he had 3-1 for St Mirren and scorer mate.
16 Dec 2025 20:12:53
Angus massive difference between Rohl and Nancy mate, Rohl's team plays a variety of systems and Nancy's team only plays system.
16 Dec 2025 20:20:39
One system.
16 Dec 2025 20:42:44
Saw that, my star.
That's partially why I was asking the numbers.
16 Dec 2025 21:32:55
Mark sorry mate, do think Celtic will drop points Tommorow.
16 Dec 2025 22:29:46
Star you keep going on about that because he only played one system but he has been interviewed to say he will play other systems if required. also Rohl is playing a back 3 when the players we have are used to a back 4 so the players Nancy has may adapt as well.
I will wait and see how it pans out and many teams win leagues using just the one system.
Sunday will give us a better clue how far we have come.
16 Dec 2025 22:51:05
Mark if manage to get them correct maybe I'll be sure to let
Yous all know haha
I'm saying that date as it's the day after we play them.
If he loses to United or even draws, the snipers will be out.
I severely doubt he takes all 9 points after that so he's going to be under a lot of pressure going up against us.
If we're top of the league before we play them and he loses he'll be gone the next day.
I predicted he wouldn't see out the season before he was even in the country. I think my star u did too.
An absolute shocker has been played by the Celtic board here, an absolute disaster indeed.
17 Dec 2025 00:19:57
Angus is the lcb getting used for whipping balls in in other clubs?
17 Dec 2025 00:23:15
Angus Rohl is playing a system best suited to our players, Nancy is doing exactly the opposite at Celtic.
17 Dec 2025 01:09:56
U fortunately i agree with storm we have not even got a Thelwell replacement yet.
Think we are in for another poor window.
17 Dec 2025 08:11:14
Star you are basing all your claims on hopes you have. He has come in to 3 of the most high profile games there are so like Rohl coming in for Brann and losing. we were lucky our next 2 games were easier.
no our LCB doesn't out in crosses we leave that to our RB and no-one else really.
despite our results I think that we are still trying to find our best 11.
more importantly how many times does it need to be said on here that we have a recruitment department and Thelwell and the new guy wrest and won't be doing the recruitment. the system is there to identify and choose players. the new man will like Thelwell have more to do with setting strategy.
17 Dec 2025 08:49:29
Angus and you clearly can't see my point, Yes Rohl is using a system suited to our players, on the other hand Nancy has done completely the opposite at Celtic, that ain't no hope that is a simple fact.
17 Dec 2025 12:41:13
Who cares what system Nancy uses as long as he continues using it and dropping points.
Also Rohl isn't using a system that suits our players at all Star, he is using a system to make us hard to score against. Our passing and general play under Rohl has actually felt worse as the players don't suit the system. But again who cares as long as he gets us winning games.
17 Dec 2025 13:44:28
Angus what u say regarding the difficult of first 3 games is absolutely spot on mate but that won't be looked at by the record books.
Neither will it by the board. If he loses tonight and loses at the weekend I think he could be gone by Monday, no Celtic manager is losing first 5 games and surviving.
17 Dec 2025 13:45:29
Bigbluejim, he is using a basic system for our players understanding, the opposite is happening at Celtic, you clearly don't care, I get that, but I'm very interested in the way any manager sets up, okay Bigbluejim 👌.
17 Dec 2025 13:47:33
But we created the most chances in our league a few games ago, Bigbluejim.
17 Dec 2025 13:56:47
Stevie the sensible thing would be him gradually bringing his system into play, this changing it completely with none of his players understanding it only shows you Nancy's lack of experience in the game, madness decision, but so glad he did change it up.
17 Dec 2025 14:06:31
No problem, my star.
I can see them dropping points tonight.
I don't want Nancy getting the sack too quickly, though.
O'Neil coming back in January would be really bad news for us.
17 Dec 2025 17:31:09
Beale and mark both spot on lads.
17 Dec 2025 18:36:25
Good post BbJ.
Angus if Martin stayed they wouldn't have been beat off hearts or St Mirren Roma
Would have done them tho just my opinion but we will never know.
We shall see what happens tonight up in Dundee.
If we were in for Nancy in the summer I wouldn't have wanted him anywhere news Ibrox.
Celtic have plenty of cash it's whether they spend it or not in Jan.
17 Dec 2025 19:57:05
Star I see your point I just down agree with it 100%
Storm not saying you are wrong but we will never know. I do agree with the Roma result. I thought Celtic should have beaten Hearts with the amount of play and chances they had but Hearts were more clinical. goals win games and not any other stat though but you need to create them to have a chance of taking them.
St Mirren did to them what others do to us. defend in depth and hit on the break. not deriding what they did but counter attack at its best, whilst restricting Celtic's chances. St Mirren keeper probably MOTM even though their ST scored 2.
17 Dec 2025 22:58:37
What about now Angus? he had one cb playing tonight alongside Ralston and Tierney, this man is taking Celtic down and I'm loving it mate.
17 Dec 2025 23:38:27
Can anyone check and see if he is indeed a member of the Columbus ohio Rangers supporters club.
16 Dec 2025 12:20:28
Watching the first half the confidence i had was draining slowly, but second half we were a bit better. 3 points is all that mattered though. Glad big Nsiala got a little cameo, looks as though he's beefed up significantly.
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16 Dec 2025 13:18:14
Agreed, Boy blue.
Last 10 minutes we're nervy, though.
I was waiting for a equaliser.
Thankfully, it didn't happen.
16 Dec 2025 13:26:32
Glad seeing himself myself boy blue, seen positives things in him last season mate, he does look bigger.
16 Dec 2025 15:08:45
Only seen the first half Bb but a wins a win and hopefully get a few more over the coming weeks.
17 Dec 2025 13:45:47
I hope we only loan him out to Belgium and don't sell him.
He's going to be a quality centre back.
Especially with us playing 3 centre backs he and Cornelius are ideal for that position.
16 Dec 2025 08:01:27
Thought although didn't score again Chermiti put in a good shift and showed some nice touches. Looked up for it and never hid. Maybe we could try cutting him a bit of slack, encouragement and support can go a long way in this game.
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16 Dec 2025 10:50:25
I agree with that, he also looked up for it, and did well with the little time he seen the ball.
16 Dec 2025 10:51:58
Aye, still can't get my head around spending £8 million on him but thought he led the line well.
16 Dec 2025 13:19:40
I rate strikers on how many goals they score.
That's what we've paid the 8 million for.
16 Dec 2025 15:49:22
the club said when he joined that he was a kid with great potential and that Rangers was the place for him to continue his development. so the club knew when they signed him for that fee that he wasn't the finished article. so we paid for a young lad who we could develop and sell for more.
you may not agree with them doing that but it is the case.
Duncan Ferguson even thinks he will make it as a player but possibly needs a few goals to unlock that potential. maybe Duncan knows a bot more about being a player than we do 🤷.
16 Dec 2025 17:31:44
Angus it was Kevin Thelwell that said that not the club and what happened to that guy remind me please?
16 Dec 2025 17:33:22
The old player thinks he is good so must be true 😳 I have always called people out for using names it's just embarrassing. I know he won't make it at Ibrox. Goals are what counts for strikers and our strikers need to score 30+ that was the benchmark used against dessers.
15 Dec 2025 21:55:37
That should of been 3 nil at the end if Raskin and Gassama just pass the ball to someone instead of going alone like there was no options.
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15 Dec 2025 23:49:10
And if Dejon hadn't cleared the line. 3 points and move on. If my da used another sock am oot the game!
15 Dec 2025 21:53:50
Listening on radio, they're not doing an old ticker much good here, but glad it's three points tonight. If only our players could shoot! Commentary particularly mentioned size of our team, and how we get out muscled in midfield. Hoping that Rohl has noticed this, and is given the tools to sort it out. Big big game at weekend now!
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15 Dec 2025 22:12:01
scotty I thought second half we had control of the midfield and Barron was excellent. we were perhaps out muscled by Bowie up front for a while when he dropped in and came out wide but thought Fernandez and Djiga handled him well. a few wild tackles from McGrath and didn't think Mulligan did that much.
every shot they had went straight to Butland without a lot of power.
It would be easier if we scored a second though for the heart 🫣 but take 1-0 without any major palpitations every week.
15 Dec 2025 22:26:34
Angus, i'd take 1-0 wins for the rest of the season, but i don't know if my old heart will! A positive result at the weekend will do us good, so onwards and upwards and fingers crossed! Thanks for your views on tonight's game as well, much appreciated.
16 Dec 2025 07:40:49
I agree Scotty but radio isn't always the best way to keep up as they tend to make it more dramatic. I didn't feel for much of the game we were at risk. Hibs built well to from back to middle where we gave them ground but they seemed to struggle and take fright when they got to our back line, which despite what you see other people write I thought played well and gave them few chances.
on to the weekend 😉.
16 Dec 2025 11:39:43
Over all, I was pleased. The boy Bowie is a major handful and over the game we did well.
No major goal scoring opportunities but the last few minutes was nervy.
16 Dec 2025 14:06:24
In was quite noticeable at corners how lacking in height we were.
16 Dec 2025 14:52:14
We had the three tallest players on the park last night Pitkin. Not including Butland outfield players.
15 Dec 2025 21:44:11
Wasn't pretty but 3 points is that matters now onto our biggest game of the season a must not lose against hearts.
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