Rangers banter 9

01 Oct 2026 21:24:00
What's everyone's thoughts on Paul Nsio's loan at St Mirren so far? Anyone think he's got a chance for us next season?

I think he's been great from the games I've seen: good on the ball, physical and likes to get stuck in.

Not seen much of Bailey Rice so what's thoughts on him?

01 Oct 2026 21:32:13
Nsio much better Prost than rice.

01 Oct 2026 21:49:04
Have managed to catch two of Nsio's games so far and he was pretty impressive in both. Having spoken to a few of those involved at St Mirren he's definitely impressed.

Haven't seen any of Rice so far this season and haven't anything positive about him either.

01 Oct 2026 23:47:35
I think Perhaos one more loan next year for him would be best for his development, Perhaos down to England though.

No doubting he's got the talent but would he come back and be 3rd or 4th out of 2 starters?
Probably not ahead of Drago and Neil and if we bring in another when Raskin leaves?

Devlin would be 4th choice so perhaps he takes devlins place next season.

I'd say it's best he goes and plays another season in a starting 11 before coming back and challenging.

02 Oct 2026 13:07:47
Disagree Stevie, I would want him going to Hearts, Hibs or Sheep for his next loan and if he cuts it there he can come back and challenge something Celtic have utilised well in recent years with Christie etc.

02 Oct 2026 13:08:29
Watched him in their game against Celtic and he certainly seems to have matured and coped with the game really well . He looked strong on the ball and powerful when moving forward . No slagging Rice but Nsio looked closer to being a first team player than he does.


My question is , did we extend his contract before he went to Saints, like we did with Rice before he went to Killie? If not does that say that we really don't expect him to come back or is the player leaving his options open?

01 Oct 2026 15:51:16
Totally agree with Barry Ferguson's article in the media today when he states he's been impressed with makhanya, minsu kim, Kelsy so far, but reckons the Rangers player that's impressed him most is a player who's been here for a few years now in our right back Dujon Sterling. 👌 Baz states in his opinion he's an absolute machine of a player and has been immense so far and long may it continue. 👌

I've said often he's the best right back in Scotland bar none and if he is now indeed over his injury issues, he's our no.1 right back without a doubt. 👍🇬🇧I for one am absolutely delighted McInnes had no intention of selling Sterling and i hope/think he'll get a new deal to extend his contract past 2028🙏🇬🇧.

01 Oct 2026 16:02:56
Sws, I read the other day his contract is until 2028, mate, extended it last year, with him playing rb and not shifted around he's showing what he's all about, never been injured since his last operation, hopefully sorted out his troubles, not many players beats him in one to ones.

01 Oct 2026 16:08:25
Agree re all comments Sir Walter - but he is an obvious injury risk for us 🤔he need long sustained injury free run before commitment to a longer contract imo.

01 Oct 2026 16:08:35
If he stays fit he's an important player for us.

One of top 5 performers for me so far.

01 Oct 2026 16:11:06
If we can keep him fit SirWalter he will be a key player for us. We look absolutely solid at the back now. I said yesterday that if he stays fit he'll 100% get a new contract.

01 Oct 2026 16:20:05
Hopefully he is over his injuries but no midweek games will also be helping him.

01 Oct 2026 16:22:05
As u say walter a fit stering is an absolute asset.

01 Oct 2026 16:29:44
Sterling hasn't been injured for around 9/10 months now, last operation was April last year, hopefully sorted his troubles, McInnes did say he was feeling his hamstring in the last game, but wouldn't imagine it will keep him out of our next fixture.

01 Oct 2026 17:00:06
Talent was never in doubt. Absolutely brilliant player who could be playing on the Premier League. His injury record has let him down but if we've managed to sort it out and having not one but two back ups for him then we have a real asset on our hands.

01 Oct 2026 17:35:12
I'm still to be fully convinced.

Defensively he's been good, but think we need someone who can offer a bit more going forward, especially against the mid - low blocks.

01 Oct 2026 17:57:46
Just my opinion EHL, if Dujon Sterling hadn't his injury issues he wouldn't be playing with us in Scottish football mate, he'd be playing in the English Premier League 🤔🇬🇧.

01 Oct 2026 18:02:42
Ehl, I understand exactly what you r saying, however it was pointed out to me, we should not look at Sterling breaking the lines but encourage Fernandez or makhanya do that.

Then Sterling sits and covers either player.

01 Oct 2026 18:04:15
EHL, that's not true at all. Sterling gets forward, he was up and down the wing at Celtic Park constantly. Plus we have plenty of good attacking players now.

01 Oct 2026 18:07:51
That's a fair point John. Those 2 like and have the ability to do just that. It's a good point.

I also felt like EHL, we need a more attacking threat as first choice rb. Sterling would be an able deputy. As would McCrorie.

01 Oct 2026 18:10:37
One on one he's brilliant and can slip in easily to third CB, think he does well giving our RM or winger the options as well going forward , his crosses might not be Tav or Barisic, but still decent. Stays fit with the rest of defence and we win league, SIMPLES.

01 Oct 2026 18:38:38
SWS, afriad I disagree. Having worked with him I think he's miles off having the attributes to play in the EPL.

Caldo, maybe read people's posts properly before responding.

01 Oct 2026 18:55:01
I sometimes question your judgement EHL. You wanted Nsiala in the team and a couple of others who were never good enough. Now you are still to be convinced by Sterling who has been exceptional. I'm glad we now have a Management team that now know what they are doing and clearly rate Sterling.

01 Oct 2026 19:53:43
Del it's called being a fan, all about opinions.

01 Oct 2026 20:00:18
Deal I really don't think Nsiala is anywhere near as bad as a lot of fans seem to think.

I think he's a very good player and with the right coaching and partner he'd have been a success.

Oh well, he is away now and we wish him all the best,

01 Oct 2026 20:09:50
He was hopeless stevie, that's why he's no longer at the club but yeah all the best to him.

01 Oct 2026 20:22:28
That's your opinion EHL and fair enough mate but others who've worked with him at Chelsea when he was younger and the English unders thought differently and predicted a big future for Dujon Sterling and they also coached and worked with him 🤔🇬🇧.

01 Oct 2026 20:35:10
Boy is an absolute machine.

01 Oct 2026 20:42:49
Sws, good few EPL clubs rb's are not better than Sterling, mate, just hope he goes injury free, be a year injury free very soon.

01 Oct 2026 20:48:03
What about the young lad we signed as well, don't forget about him as an attacking threat at right back.

01 Oct 2026 20:52:44
Remember people used to say that if Tav could defend as good as he attacks he wouldn't be at Rangers.

Well If Sterling could attack as good as he defends he wouldn't be at Rangers would he?

Yet some want a full back that can defend as good as Sterling and attack as well.

How much would such a player cost?

Sterling is a quality player for us and has a very good all round game.

01 Oct 2026 21:10:12
I don't think he's anywhere near EPL class and don't think he's that great going forward, but he's helped make us far better defensively which will hopefully let the attacking players go forward and do their jobs without worrying what's behind them so we're in a much better position now in my opinion.

01 Oct 2026 21:28:13
I think the trick is to do what Advocaat done and get one of each for each position.

01 Oct 2026 22:00:23
Nsiala away to UAE league. Very very poor standard.

02 Oct 2026 08:52:56
I missed this debate last night, lots of great points raised. My take on Dujon is that we now have a RB who defends well. We now appear much more solid down that side, no more balls over the full back's shoulder leading to goal scoring opportunities- no more back post nightmares every time a cross comes from the opposite side.


I'm happy to swap attacking prowess for defensive solidity.
As others have said we have plenty of creativity in the front line now.

02 Oct 2026 09:29:56
Same here missed all these opinions. Petsonally i have always admired Sterling was just the injuries letting him down. Frankly i don't really care about attacking defenders i'm old fasioned and want my defenders defending leave the attacking to the forwards. If we keep it solid and tight at the back there's always a chance of beating anyone.

02 Oct 2026 10:12:43
I was probably in the sell him in the summer camp but tbh he has completely changed my mind. I also think with the formation we have utilised over past couple of matches we really need one of the full backs to be more defensive and help move across. One of Sterling's attributes I really appreciate is when he is the one left back at our corners / free kicks I just fee really secure that if we get broke on we have a defender back with his 1v1 attributes.

Used to be a nightmare the amount of chances/goals we lost from our own attacking set pieces.

02 Oct 2026 12:39:31
Same as myself Mass, defenders defend.

05 Oct 2026 10:39:53
I've been backing Sterling from the start. we don't need tavs attacking threat anymore we have the forwards and wingers to do that now. Much more happy that we have a right back that can defend.

30 Sep 2026 23:35:10
I just read a good article on Sky Sports about the foundations for both our Old Firm wins.

I remember having a conversation the other day with someone about our scouting and I said it was now different to what it had been previously as before it felt like we were just picking names out of a hat. I also said for years that mentality had to be a key focus when recruiting. Here is what the article said.

"Rangers were not only looking at players' attributes, but also how they'd fit in the dressing room, their injury history, trading value and so on. Things which in the past were not always prioritised but are now all part of the equation". "There has been significant work to alter Rangers' recruitment process since last summer, and while the early signs are positive".

Fitting in is all about character and mentality which is imperative and clearly McInnes recognised this.

As you's will know I have went on and on and on and on and on about two big strikers up top. I also said 433 doesn't work for us and I was told that Celtic play 433 and its worked for them. Here is what the article said.

"So what was the plan to end Celtic's Premiership stranglehold? Well, rather than trying to copy their Old Firm rivals' possession-based style of play, Rangers were focussing on physicality and speed. The view was that to beat Celtic, they couldn't be like Celtic - they had to work differently".

I found the article interesting because it does strike a cord with me because its highlights some of the change that I also felt was needed. Of course there is more to it but its worth a read folks.

01 Oct 2026 07:12:17
Enthusiasm is all good and well - but its not just Celtic we need to master in this league as we have been turned over in past by other squads who are physical and run at us. 🤔 - I truly have greater optimism than previous years but fully appreciate that its the many other teams in our league who have caused problems home and away - I will feel more content when/if we go on a decent run against these so called also rans - my powder is dry for time being 👍.

01 Oct 2026 09:55:57
100% Blue Floyd3. We need to pick up the silly points that we tend to drop against the rest. Particularly away from home.

01 Oct 2026 11:13:52
I think McInnes has already shown a willingness to change style and system to overcome different teams approaches to get results. And with a better squad it will only get better. A far better approach than the plan B is do plan A better philosophy that's failed us under previous managers.

01 Oct 2026 11:18:16
guys you talk about it as if this is new. even under SWS we dropped points against teams we should be beating week in week out. its a human flaw that means we don't try as hard against teams we expect to beat which isn't just a football thing. hence why underdogs can win against the favourites.

but yes let's hope we drop less than Celtic do then we have a fighting chance.

01 Oct 2026 12:40:16
Enthusiasm and work rate is all very well but we needed quality to beat Celtic and we had that in both those recent games . We should not underestimate them , they have quality players who aren't performing at the moment .

When they do they will blow away most of Scottish football and we need to do the same so that at worst the league comes down to the three remaining OF games.

01 Oct 2026 12:48:24
McInnes will change system for different opposition as we'll already seen, it's a fluid system into and out of position, as the manager said himself, a formation isn't a important park like some posters clearly think it is, in the game against Celtic at Ibrox, it was basically 334, some get rapped up in 442 when it certainly ain't, pay attention in game and what our players do and maybe you'd see that.

01 Oct 2026 12:54:12
Wslgers, Rangers have better quality now though, how many Celtic players have you got making it into our startup line up?

01 Oct 2026 13:01:03
I don't think anyone was wrapped up in 442, most of us saw penrice going into midfield and playing a high press, infact there was a thread the other day about how fluid McInnes 442 is so maybe if you had been paying attention you would have saw that.

The two up top has made a big difference. That must be difficult to swallow. If folk had really been paying attention maybe they wouldn't have backed every manager and every player to be quality over the last few years.

01 Oct 2026 13:10:17
🪃 Why would it be difficult to swallow, no sense once again.

01 Oct 2026 13:27:21
You said two up top was outdated. You also said that 433 was the way to go because it worked for Celtic. Everyone on here knows you were dead against the idea of two up top or a version of 442. Don't pretend that you weren't.

01 Oct 2026 13:41:44
All I've said 433 has won the last 15 leagues, but if our manager fancy playing 2 cf's I'm cool with that, but you kerp on ratting on about 442 when in actual fact it ain't 442.

01 Oct 2026 14:18:29
Although i would live to take mic out of mystar for the two strikers thing as i argued two strikers was the way to go he's right in my veiw they are not playinv as a traditional two with more of 4411 or unusual 3511 kind how we played when we had shota arverladze who often droped a bit deeper.

01 Oct 2026 14:22:38
Got to say concerned with Scotland manager handling of Curtis many thinks it vindicates his decision dropping him down with Curtis performance i think it proves the opposite that Curtis way too good for that level.

Also did anyone else not notice that there was no spl players playing as if totally ignoring Scottish league.

01 Oct 2026 14:23:19
Its two up top. Its how McInnes plays. One will drop at times, one will go wide at times. Its still two strikers up top.

01 Oct 2026 14:35:45
This only highlights McInnes' set up in and out of position.

01 Oct 2026 14:34:41
I'm happy with any winning team and any set up that wins games, but you're cutting up in a 442 because we're have a couple of cf playing.

01 Oct 2026 14:36:22
Just scroll past my posts.

01 Oct 2026 16:34:26
Even after the manager said we'd played 442 folk argued that we didn't. 🤷. There's many variations of it and it can be very fluid. Important thing is we're able to react and adapt when needed whether that is switching to a 3 at the back or a 4, 1 up top or 2. Whatever is needed to get results.

01 Oct 2026 17:28:31
I know Kaiser, but that's what you're up against.

01 Oct 2026 17:46:49
The manager plays an asymmetrical 4-4-2 , having parts on either side that are not the same size or shape, offering great flexibility. The system also offers itself to making triangles, isolating opposing defenders or loading certain areas of the pitch (for instance when operating an aggressive press).

The Penrice tactic against the other mob is a decent example, the movement of Minsu across the inside forward and wide area is another. Flexibility of movement makes the system work and we're now showing that. I've forgotten a few benefits of the system now, but I was coaching it more than 30 years ago.

01 Oct 2026 18:06:33
Great input, gyldne gut. 30 years ago and still as effective today.

01 Oct 2026 18:16:58
Correct Kasier, a very fluid system in and out of position.

01 Oct 2026 19:38:46
My Star , I'm not going to start praising Celtic players all I'm saying is that we should not write them off after two games in which we played better than any of us expected and they played worse . Maybe we do have better player than them now but we need to prove we can beat the rest and they have a track record of doing that .So far they have won all their games against the other teams and we have lost to Hibs and drawn with Dundee United .

Up until the two OF games we weren't sure that a lot of our players should be in the Rangers team so I'm not interested in the argument of who would make our team .

01 Oct 2026 20:52:14
Wslgers, no argument, just saying we have better quality now, hopefully we win the first trophy before the turn of the year, just newly read an article, top ten most valuable players in Scotland seven are Rangers players, that's a big turnaround, know what you're saying though, let's start winning.

01 Oct 2026 20:57:56
Mystar, if I'd have asked you 6 weeks ago how many Celtic players would get into the Rangers team, I bet your answer would have been very different to what it is now. Same group of players. And only an idiot would write Celtic off at this stage.

01 Oct 2026 23:33:25
Alloa, nobody is writing Celtic off, I'm saying we have more quality in our squad now.

And 6 weeks ago not one Celtic defender would get in my Rangers team, Johnston at a push, but he ain't getting in before Sterling right now, same with the keeper, not one Celtic cm would get in my midfield before Neil, I was thinking Raskin would be sold and none would get in before him either, I'm taking a couple of our cf's before any Celtic's.

02 Oct 2026 13:17:11
My Star , on current form you're right but a few weeks ago fans were wanting rid of Fernandez , Raskin , Neil , Gassama and Naderi , we even had some calling Minsu a flash in the pan after the Aberdeen game . Things change . I hold my hands up I thought that they had bought three better forwards than us in Hassan , Hogh and Duran but at the moment I wouldn't trade them for our forwards .I must say though I still rate Duran even after the last two games and I wouldn't mind a striker like him that can just smash in a shot from the edge of the box when we are in need .

Interesting when we talk about midfielders , I wasn't impressed by Baur but he is getting into the German team , which has shocked me .

30 Sep 2026 21:39:28
Another Rolls Royce performance from big Makhanya tonight for South Africa. Very impressed. More importantly played for 74mins and came through the match unscathed 💪🏻.

30 Sep 2026 22:50:09
The clips of minsu are amazing, we have a player with incredible potential imo.

30 Sep 2026 23:37:43
Minsu is an incredible player for us John.

01 Oct 2026 08:41:05
Minsu looks very promising.
He has the skill and speed, but also looks to have massive work rate and determination.

01 Oct 2026 09:12:34
Just watched a video of the big man saying "we are the people" then singing simply the best and not knowing the next words haha he says he needs to learn them.

01 Oct 2026 12:11:35
Minsu won't be here for long.

01 Oct 2026 12:42:46
We paid a huge fee in Scottish terms for Minsu, so if he's not here for long somebody will need to come in with a record breaking offer for him . If that happens we'll thank him , wish him all the best and use the money to boost the team. Its a win , win.

01 Oct 2026 14:23:29
Minsu is very good. Talented footballer John.

01 Oct 2026 14:33:11
Ye cannot beat a good plate of Tatties and Minsu - so on that note he will do for me 😁😁😁👍.

01 Oct 2026 14:28:42
Where did you see the video Stevie? cheers.

01 Oct 2026 14:41:47
He might be the most talented player at the club.

01 Oct 2026 15:46:02
Roll with it , just popped up on my instagram mate. He's got his South Africa training gear on in it so I think it's from last night.

You should maybe find it on YouTube if someone has posted it.

If not type it into search bar on instagram it may pop up. I'll keep an eye out for it again.

01 Oct 2026 18:31:17
Cheers pal.

29 Sep 2026 20:45:29
Finished my first season on FC27 career mode i came 4th in the league 😵‍💫 but i did win the Europa Conference League 3-2 against shaktar donesk and i was knocked out the Scottish cup quarter final as well would you keep me as manager?

Spl record:
Wins: 17
Draws: 14
Loses: 7

Ive qualified for the Europa league.

And I've brought a European trophy back to Ibrox.

29 Sep 2026 23:41:49
4th 🙄, chased down the Copeland road.

30 Sep 2026 02:34:39
🤣🤣 lol.

30 Sep 2026 02:51:48
Mate no offence but your rubbish at fifa😂😂😂 4th, sack the manager😂.

30 Sep 2026 08:19:39
It's early days. Give your players time to settle and see where you are come October. You know it takes a manager time to implement a new style. Are your fans on the players back? The fans could be the problem. Have you tried taking the players on a day out? I'm sure given time the players will make you a fortune.

30 Sep 2026 09:31:22
Del 🤣🤣.

30 Sep 2026 09:44:59
Kaiser. Just to trying to make light of some of the guff we have had to read. I hear Loch Lomond is quite refreshing this time of year 😅. Glad you saw the funny side😂.

30 Sep 2026 14:44:03
The performances started getting worse when i took captain off godfrey and gave it to kim min su also i changed formation to a 3-5-2 and i got mesaages that didn't suit the players 😂 but i'm the manager so its my system lol and i won the Europa confrence league so i'm already a god at Rangers

I know its only a game but its much more realistic now.

30 Sep 2026 14:56:43
Try a 442 bluebear👊😉.

30 Sep 2026 15:06:12
If you won yer Old Firm games I would give you another season bluebear if not am sorry get yer coat 🤷🏼‍♂️😂.

30 Sep 2026 17:18:48
Who's your scout? Sammy😅.

30 Sep 2026 18:28:46
Bluebear is getting sacked in the morning 😉.

30 Sep 2026 18:46:43
4th??? your sacked.

30 Sep 2026 20:09:13
Sounds too hard though at least they've changed things this time. I'll still stick to my old Fc24. Got a regen player called Kaiser whos the best CM in the world 😜.

30 Sep 2026 20:43:37
Are you 1 of those guys that wear a suit tae play fifa 🤔.

30 Sep 2026 20:53:53
Played the beta did not like it loved pes 2020 was some game 😂.

01 Oct 2026 11:21:05
🤣🤣 Laudrup, memories of Championship/football manager days. Read loads of hilarious stories how that game took over people's lives, dressing up for cup finals and doing imaginary press conferences.

29 Sep 2026 18:51:30
Might have missed the answers to my questions, but can anyone confirm if John Souttar and Ross McCausland have left or are still at the club. Any news on Rommens return from injury date.

29 Sep 2026 19:00:01
Think Souttar and McCausland are here to January at least, no idea on Rommens.👍.

29 Sep 2026 19:02:12
Literally just read Rommens is near return, possibly after the international break.👍.

29 Sep 2026 22:52:18
Rommens close to return. My son asked him tonight at Edmiston house 😂.

30 Sep 2026 01:50:02
Rommens , a bit like the other fella (can't remember his name 😉😉) will be fit in 2 weeks.

30 Sep 2026 06:34:26
Rommens wasn't far off being fit enough for the game at Celtic park.

30 Sep 2026 07:18:19
I wouldn't be fussed if we moved Rommens on, seems injury prone and let's be honest, we have not missed him.

30 Sep 2026 07:47:19
minimum need him for cover.

30 Sep 2026 07:58:48
BAR72 🤣 - I reckon it's either Jordan Rossiter or John Eustace.

30 Sep 2026 11:42:32
Poor Rommens. He was the new Arthur Numan 6 months ago. When he's back fully fit hell be a great player for us and him and JP on the left is great competition for places.

30 Sep 2026 12:07:03
Had Rommens not got injured again, there was serious talk of him joining Brugge before the window closed. I hope he does come back fully fit and raring to go but he's going to have take his game up a level if he's going to dislodge Penrice from the team. Strong competition is always healthy. I just hope he can stay fit.

30 Sep 2026 13:06:38
McInnes said that Rommens might be available for the second Celtic game, but given the fact that there was a three week break coming up , there was no point in rushing him back in my opinion .Give him the three weeks to get some real training in and he should be ready for the Killie game . Makes sense to me.

30 Sep 2026 14:49:27
Folks, is Penrice okay after the Celtic game, didn't he have a calf problem.

30 Sep 2026 19:17:43
I'd keep both til the summer incase of injury however if we move Rommens on in January then Robbie Fraser should be his replacement for a year or 2 til young scally is ready to compete.

01 Oct 2026 23:11:17
Of course we will keep Rommens. Sooner or later Penrice will have a dip in form, pick up an injury or get suspended. When Rommens is handed the jersey it is then his target to play so well he keeps Penrice on the bench and if not, he loses his place. It's the very essence of competition.

01 Oct 2026 23:58:28
Gyldne supposedly Brugge want Rommens , with the fee he'd command mate and the fact we don't have Europe to keep everyone busy it would be hard to turn down a good offer for him.

I'm with u in wanting to keep him for sporting reasons , I rate him very highly. But if we get an offer of say €6-8m we may find it hard to refuse.

29 Sep 2026 17:48:10
With Manchester City being found guilty of all these charges up until 2017, i wonder what punishment they will receive? 🤔 I do think they'll be relegated, but in all honesty i don't take delight or wish to see this happening to any football club ☹️.

29 Sep 2026 18:02:03
Could take a while to sort out , city will fight it and tie it up in court and drag it out , is there a possibility the league could be postponed maybe before start of next season , not to mention other teams who might want to sue for relegation and lost money etc , one thing for sure the lawyers will be rubbing their hands.

29 Sep 2026 18:21:33
They need brought to account but the ramifications of endless legal battles from clubs affected will do untold damage to the game. You know they pay their high profile solicitor £5000 per hour. The amounts spent on court cases going forward and indeed up until now is eye watering. It will drag on for years yet, terrible state of affairs.

29 Sep 2026 18:24:32
If they cheated - and as massively as they have been found to have cheated - then they deserve everything that's coming their way, and probably more.

29 Sep 2026 18:38:03
£20m / £30m fine and move on. The EPL don't have the guts for anything else.

29 Sep 2026 18:53:36
830.69 million, relegated? Should be banned entirely.

29 Sep 2026 18:57:10
Everton received a points deduction for relatively minor offences. Systemic and sustained cheating over many years, sham contracts, inflating revenue by £831m from what little I've read about it. They will be relegated that's for sure, to where is the question. Action has to be taken by end of this season so as to not impact European places from this season.

The lawsuits from all of the clubs who will want their compensation will follow. The owners might have deep pockets but this will cost them dearly. Being stripped of trophies is the next big question, I don't see how they can't be based on the scale of this.

29 Sep 2026 19:03:38
And they're still denying it in their statement.

29 Sep 2026 19:12:06
Should Rangers have been banned indefinitely and had titles stripped with our cheating.

Genuine question for those with that opinion because scale aside we done similar type offences and actually went bust costing people and companies a great deal in the process.

29 Sep 2026 19:14:42
Honestly thought they wouldn't touch them , but to be fair they took on a club with a lot of money so I have to say they have done the hard bit , and the will drop down the leagues and a massive fine .🇬🇧.

29 Sep 2026 19:27:49
TommyGunn we were not found guilty of cheating at any point , we were using a system to pay players that was legal at the time and subsequently declared illegal by the government. Interesting that HMRC came to agreements with other clubs including Arsenal but wouldn't do that with us .

Also we were actually punished by the football authorities for Whyte deciding to not pay taxes so throwing us into administration then liquidation , which should have resulted in points deductions like it had for other clubs but that wasn't enough for us apparently .I wonder why?

29 Sep 2026 19:39:05
Manchester City and Rangers cannot be compared as the same because their financial offences, structural nature, and underlying regulatory contexts differ significantly.

Legal experts and figures from both clubs emphasize that the scale and mechanisms of the rule breaks are distinct.

Rangers faced outright liquidation because they could no longer service their debts or operate as a going concern. Manchester City's charges relate to regulatory inflation and non-cooperation/concealment rules rather than imminent bankruptcy.

Totally incomparable by all accounts.
Nature of charges
Alleged systemic deception, concealed sponsorship revenue, and disguised funding to bypass Premier League Financial Fair Play (FFP) over a nine-year period (2009–2018). | Use of Employee Benefit Trust (EBT) schemes for tax avoidance/non-payment under previous ownership, leading to severe structural insolvency and liquidation.

Operational Impact
The corporate entity remains extraordinarily wealthy and stable under state-backed ownership, contesting the verdicts through ongoing legal appeals. | The original corporate entity suffered total financial collapse, entering liquidation and forcing a new corporate vehicle to restart in the bottom tier of Scottish football.

Regulatory Framework
Handled under Premier League independent disciplinary tribunals with intense global scrutiny and complex commercial liability. | Governed by Scottish football authorities (SFA/SPL) dealing with licensing, tax compliance failure, and insolvency rules.

So to answer your question, no we shouldn't as the difference in the obfuscation and deception is off the scale, compared to us as ably explained above.

29 Sep 2026 20:44:57
Gers

LBH We were forefront in costing businesses lotta money and deserved what we got. However its all in past. Were now forefront inll making businesses money. So no fall out.

29 Sep 2026 21:00:41
I am not advocating anything really, I was just interested in the perceived difference.

Still struggling somewhat because it feels like the financial regulations are much more robust now and in both cases the underlying accusations of financial doping is the issue of contention rather than the regulatory framework at the time.

I don't really like the framework in place right now so struggle to feel any anger towards city but have seen a lot of fans feeling that way.

I also find the issue of financial doping in the EPL kinda funny because it's like a comedy sketch kinda thing.

I do think they should be severely punished but I don't really understand the passion for that from Rangers fans because it feels very familiar to the response we seen from other fans to our club.

29 Sep 2026 21:14:03
Apart from relegation and huge fine I'm not sure what else can be done. The EFL doesn't come under the same rules, as Leicester exploited. Stripping titles means nothing.

30 Sep 2026 01:52:09
Whats the highest transfer fee they paid in the last 10 years, then multiply it by 5 as a fine , then enough points deduction to guarantee relegation, then move on.

30 Sep 2026 03:16:10
I don't think they'll get relegated. If they try that then they will play the super league card!

30 Sep 2026 06:56:19
Fork, really couldn't disagree with you more.

There are huge similarities between Man City and Rangers use of dual contracts for financial doping.

The only difference is there is a set of specific rules that the EPL can hold Man City accountable to.

30 Sep 2026 07:17:10
As you're entitled to do, yes the use of EBT's put us on our knees and led to liquidation, but the scale and level of their "doping" and obfuscation is off the chart, for me it's one facet of similarity in a raft of outright deception, after looking at it yesterday, I'll agree to disagree.

30 Sep 2026 07:34:01
Financial rules, interesting.
The amounts of obscene money thrown around in that League by teams purely because of huge amounts of TV revenue and massive financial backing from owners/cooperations/countries and they think the rules make it fair.
Yes Manchester City should be punished appropriately as they have been found to have broken the rules in place.


However, fans of other football clubs in the EPL taking the moral high ground in a League that lost all its sporting identity a long time ago is slightly laughable.

30 Sep 2026 07:40:34
The use of EBTs was an HMRC issue not a league issue which is why those that HMRC agreed to settle with including many English clubs faced no football sanctions. It's a totally different situation from ours which was administration/liquidation we were relegated for not the breaking of rules.

30 Sep 2026 08:16:37
No, the EBTs became a league issue when they weren't disclosed to the league. we are legally required to disclose all financial contracts, bonuses, and remuneration given to players. to maintain the illusion of the EBTs not being remuneration we hid the side letters which were found to say the payments were that. they did tackle Arsenal but they settled early with HMRC whilst Murray continued to argue until the end that the EBTs were legal.

and yes EBTs at that time were not strictly illegal but the specific way the club used them was ruled by the UK Supreme Court to be a form of tax avoidance and disguised remuneration rather than genuine, non-taxable loans. does anyone actually believe that any of the players at that time were going to pay back the money they were loaned so they were in effect another form of disguised remuneration.

so on a different scale perhaps to Man City but it is fundamentally the same sports-integrity issue, although the financial mechanisms and the rules being broken are completely different. Both cases centre on a football club allegedly "cheating the system" to build a squad it could not otherwise afford, but they operated in entirely different ways.

anyways we were punished and moved on so City will be (eventually) and will do the same. they have more cash so might do it more quickly.

30 Sep 2026 08:33:47
I see no similarities between us and Man City. EBTs were perfectly legal until HMRC realised that it was a loophole.

30 Sep 2026 08:43:19
Completely different scenario, scale and at a completely different time with different rules in place as to what happened at our club.
We got punished more than appropriately, have moved on and still are hindered financially by the punishment of starting at the bottom League.
The titles we had a hand in winning have more than evened out as a result of our punishment.

Hopefully Manchester City will get punished appropriately but I find it hard to revile in this as it's the ordinary fan I feel sorry for, football clubs exist for communities and are an escape from the harsh reality of life for the ordinary people.

I find it a bit ironic other clubs fans taking the moral high ground with the financial picture in the EFL at the moment which is not a level playing ground anymore.

30 Sep 2026 09:43:47
Whether or not the use of them was right is a different question. If it broke football rules why did no other club that used them face any sanctions from Celtic to Arsenal and all the many other clubs that used them? Making a deal with HMRC doesn't change whether they all broke league rules.

30 Sep 2026 10:02:36
Bar, that suggestion sounds reasonable.

30 Sep 2026 10:10:24
There are obviously differences, however both involve allegations about financial reporting and regulatory compliance

The allegations against Manchester City centre on whether the club provided accurate financial information, particularly around revenue, sponsorship income, remuneration and compliance with financial regulations.

Our EBT case revolved around the club's use of EBTs to make payments to players and staff and whether those arrangements were properly disclosed and compliant with football and tax regulations.

In both cases, the core question is not simply "did money change hands? " but whether the relevant authorities were given a complete and accurate picture.

Also both create legitimate arguments about sporting advantage

There can be no debate that the EBT scheme helped attract and retain players that might otherwise have been unaffordable.

Likewise Manchester City artificially enhanced revenue, or under reported costs, could have allowed greater spending on players, managers and infrastructure than would otherwise have been permitted.

As a result, both cases are essentially "financial doping".

30 Sep 2026 13:04:37
Kaiser the answer to that is that Arsenal declared their EBT scheme to the FA whereas Rangers didn't and the detail was hidden in side letters, which we should have provided to the SFA; but we didn't.

both clubs benefited in potentially having more funds to invest in their squad so as EHL says a definite form of financial doping. not as bad as City but still an advantage.

30 Sep 2026 13:18:32
EHL, EBTs were legal when we were using them and it was only later that the HMRC changed that and back dated moneys owed. They were being used by other clubs and businesses at the time and as I say Arsenal settled out of court for a reduced amount something HMRC would not do with us, for some reason. Yes, it was an attempt to bend the tax laws but at the time we did it it was not illegal.

It also should not be forgotten it was NOT that case that threw us into administration it was our new owner Craig Whytes refusing to pay our day to day tax bills that did that (hence the phrase The Small Tax Case).

That was because he was allowed to fraudulently buy the club and then didn't have the money to run it . He was passed as fit and proper by the authorities so there is plenty of blame to go round.

30 Sep 2026 13:36:35
WSL, this information isn't difficult to find - providing you actually want to read it.

Many people at the time believed our EBT arrangement was a legitimate tax avoidance structure, but the courts ultimately ruled that it did not achieve the tax result Rangers claimed.

The important distinction is:

Tax avoidance: Arranging affairs within the law to reduce tax.
Tax evasion: Deliberately concealing or misrepresenting information to avoid tax.

When we used EBTs between 2001 and 2010, EBTs were not inherently illegal. Many companies across the UK used EBT structures, often with professional tax advice. The argument was that payments made into trusts and then advanced as loans to employees were not taxable earnings.

However, after years of litigation, the UK Supreme Court ruled in 2017 that the Rangers scheme did not work for tax purposes. The Court agreed with HMRC that the payments were effectively remuneration for employment and should have been subject to PAYE and National Insurance.

So although in principle EBTs were valid - our application of them was not. Also, just because multiple organisation / football clubs used EBT's, it doesn't mean that they all used them in the same way.

30 Sep 2026 13:40:44
The reason we did not have a deal with HMRC is that they used us as a legal test case to create precedent for going after others who done the same. It's why it went on so long as had to make its way through the court system.

I did not like what we done but I thought that was a terrible decision because Rangers are way more than a normal company and to use us as a test case was totally wrong imo.

If we had just went bust because of the skulduggery of Whyte we would not have ended up in bottom tier, it was all the outrage over the EBTs which caused that. I thought the outrage with us was way OTT and pretty much feel the same with City.

Yes, they broke rules but football fans trying to delete the sporting outcomes is a bit of a nonsense imo.

30 Sep 2026 14:58:20
They should be fined at least £500 million nand banned from Europe for 5 years, this cheating on a massive scale, also put on League 1. I have no sympathy for the whatsoever.