02 Aug 2026 11:43:57
AEK looking to possibly offload Penrice.
02 Aug 2026 13:07:32
I would take him in a minute. Rommens is guaranteed a game, and I don't like the thought of any player not being pushed to perform and guaranteed a game.
02 Aug 2026 13:12:23
Will Ferry from Dundee United looks like a real player. That long throw is a great weapon to have. He doesn't even throw it with great pace either, it just sort of drops in the box. So even if a CB gets his head on it, and makes first contact, there's no power in it to head it a great distance away from the box.
It ends up bouncing all over the place in a dangerous area. Still a very young guy too. He's the one we should be after.
02 Aug 2026 13:25:44
New login because I forgot my last, but signing a player for his throwins seems a little bit desperate.
02 Aug 2026 13:50:56
Will Ferry on Penrice is a must.
02 Aug 2026 13:57:05
Storm, you slate the team so far, but would bye Will Ferry because he had a decent game?
02 Aug 2026 14:02:21
Doesn't matter if pace is on the ball, any ball getting thrown that distance could still be headed fifty yards from our goal.
Much more to his game than a good throwing.
Wouldn't mind Penrice either. Need someone changing Rommens.
02 Aug 2026 14:10:01
#Challenging Rommens.
02 Aug 2026 14:11:49
Penrice looked the part at Hearts. Would keep Rommens on his toes.
02 Aug 2026 14:17:41
Get, we need someone to challenge Rommens, but three million for Penrice to sit on bench when we need actual starters is bizarre.
02 Aug 2026 14:21:50
Who said Will Ferry should be signed simply because of his throw in?
Will Ferry is a very good young player. The fact he has these throw-ins as a weapon is just a massive side benefit.
02 Aug 2026 14:22:54
I totally agree, Storm. I rate both Penrice and Ferry and one of them I hope we sign to push/compete with Rommens at left back. ๐ I also quite like Longelo of Motherwell. ๐ ๐ฌ๐ง
02 Aug 2026 14:29:06
Couldn't have said it better myself, John, you know, without coming across as negative lol.
02 Aug 2026 14:30:11
Imagine we signed every player that had a good game against us.
02 Aug 2026 14:19:29
Haven't Celtic already enquired about Ferry?
02 Aug 2026 14:30:27
This is cut and paste directly from AI:
"A header's distance depends on how much momentum the player can transfer to the ball. A fast throw already carries significant momentum, so a defender can redirect it a long way with relatively little effort. Ferry's throws are different. They travel a long distance but arrive with comparatively low speed, dropping almost vertically. That means the defender has to generate most of the power themselves. In a crowded penalty area, with little run-up or body movement, that's much harder. The result is often a weaker clearance that stays in or around the box, creating the kind of second-ball chaos Dundee United are clearly trying to exploit.
The underlying science is momentum and impulse.
Momentum is defined as p = mv (mass ร velocity). A football's mass is essentially constant, so the faster it is travelling, the more momentum it carries.
Impulse is J = F ร t, which equals the change in momentum. A player can only add a limited amount of impulse during a header because the contact time is extremely short (around 10โ15 milliseconds).
So, if the ball arrives quickly, much of the outgoing speed comes from the ball's existing momentum. If it arrives slowly, the defender must generate almost all of the outgoing momentum themselves."
02 Aug 2026 14:31:59
Trying to remember that guy with the crazy throw-in that played for Tranmere Rovers many moons back (I think), Dave Challinor? Basically like a corner anytime he had a throw-in in the opposition half, it can be a serious weapon.
02 Aug 2026 14:39:43
Roll. You say he very young, he's 25 almost 26, and one of the reason he should sign is he has a long throw that acutely isn't very good, it bounces about. How many goals have United scored from his throw ins since he's been at United. ๐ค
02 Aug 2026 14:45:08
Anderlecht are chasing Ferry.
02 Aug 2026 14:46:57
Ferry is 25. Wouldn't class that as young.
02 Aug 2026 14:55:27
Rommens is not a great defender. Was missing at the Dundee United easy chance which they missed. Maybe a good attacking option, however, defensively he is suspect - a bit like Tav.
02 Aug 2026 15:09:25
Rohl, that is what happens with a defender attacking the ball and creating his power, easily clear his balls fifty yards like said.
02 Aug 2026 15:24:55
Don't believe the fee requested for Penrice is any more than ยฃ2m. Would be a deal I would consider.
Also believe Rommens is seen as a potential left sided centre half in a back 3.
02 Aug 2026 15:28:42
"Rohl, that is what happens with a defender attacking the ball and creating his power, easily clear his balls fifty yards like said."
I included the physics just for you, Storm, and you still don't get it. Let's try again:
The underlying science is momentum and impulse.
Momentum is defined as p = mv (mass x velocity). A football's mass is essentially constant, so the faster it is travelling, the more momentum it carries.
Impulse is J = F x t, which equals the change in momentum. A player can only add a limited amount of impulse during a header because the contact time is extremely short (around 10-15 milliseconds).
So, if the ball arrives quickly, much of the outgoing speed comes from the ball's existing momentum. If it arrives slowly, the defender must generate almost all of the outgoing momentum themselves.
02 Aug 2026 15:31:12
I actually just put what you wrote into AI and this is what it said, Storm:
"The question is how often they can do it from a standing start, in a crowded six-yard box, under pressure. Physics says a slower ball carries less momentum (p = mv), so the defender has to generate more of the outgoing power themselves.
That's much harder when you're being challenged. That's exactly why looping long throws are used - they're designed to force awkward, glancing headers and poor clearances, not because it's impossible to clear them."
The AI seems to know what it's talking about.
02 Aug 2026 15:32:36
Getting thrown that distance, it could still be clear filthy yards easily, Rohl, not interested in what A1 is telling you.
02 Aug 2026 15:36:49
Is it your opinion then that Penrice can't dislodge Rommens John as the starting lb?
02 Aug 2026 15:40:05
Penrice would suit Rangers more than Rommens.
02 Aug 2026 16:00:46
What's wrong with Scally as backup left back? Same people moaning about Rommens having no backup will be moaning that we never bring through academy players. Give him a chance, and if he proves to be not ready over the next few months, bring someone in during the January window, and play Sterling there if he's needed.
Don't care what his age is, if he's good enough. We bring in anybody, his minutes will basically drop to 0, which is no use to anyone unless we find him a loan.
02 Aug 2026 16:03:55
Really need to sign two quality players who can play either RW or LW.
02 Aug 2026 16:16:21
The 12th. Nope, it's not because he had a good game. I watched him a few times last season also, and he was United best player. Fans on here keep banging on about players that know the league, so I am suggesting someone that I think would be a good signing, and you come out with that utter drivel. ๐
02 Aug 2026 16:18:58
Rohl, what are you talking about? I never asked you anything. ๐ You have had a mare, mate.
02 Aug 2026 16:20:20
David, he needs a loan at 16 mate imo that's why he shouldn't be back up just yet.
Penrice or Ferry could keep Rommens out the team, John, the jury is still out on him like many others.
02 Aug 2026 16:22:32
Iron, not necessarily, but then we are left with a four million player on bench. We have far bigger issues in many other positions.
02 Aug 2026 16:23:56
David can't play scally when out injured, has not trained yet this season.
02 Aug 2026 16:29:38
The 12th, it's not just about a throw in, to be fair to Storm. Did you see the game against us? He was very good and had a great season last year too. I'd take a punt on him.
02 Aug 2026 15:37:13
True lie still two million to get splinters we need starters ie rb two ch and wingers
02 Aug 2026 16:33:14
Will Ferry was almost sold during the summer for 1.5mil, so would be a good cheap option for LB cover.
02 Aug 2026 16:36:27
Barrons crap but Feery is a player we should sign ๐ ๐คฃ. When it comes 2 players, you're the one talking nonsense. You never have one positive thing 2 say about the players, the staff, and the manager after one game, but you did that last year as well.
02 Aug 2026 15:54:32
Storm. I'll keep feeding all this into AI for my own amusement because you're drowning here. Here is what AI has to say on your latest response:
"At this point, the debate has shifted away from physics. He's simply repeating his assertion without engaging with your argument. In a crowded penalty area, with players challenging and little room to attack the ball, that increases the chance of a poor or glancing clearance. That's why teams deliberately use looping long throws instead of firing them in flat and fast. Simply repeating "it can be cleared 50 yards" doesn't address that point.
How do you respond?
02 Aug 2026 16:45:43
Rohl, it's Mystar you're meaning to respond to, not Storm.
This chat is chaos, chaos I tell ye!. ๐
02 Aug 2026 16:56:52
Penrice, Milne or Ferry would all be good signings to push Rommens and give us a good level of cover.
02 Aug 2026 17:00:22
Trying to prove people wrong with AI but can't get the name right lol. ๐ ๐
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02 Aug 2026 17:13:27
Still no response from Star. I've been dying to put his next response into AI and just keep hitting him with the hard science. I think he's gotten the message that he's never going to win that debate and given up.
02 Aug 2026 17:18:03
I'm beginning to be sorry I'm the O.P. ๐ ๐
02 Aug 2026 17:21:59
@12th, Not "trying". He is wrong, and I have proved that beyond all doubt using science and AI.
You're right, I did get the username wrong though. I suppose you can always hold that up as a small victory if you like.
02 Aug 2026 17:26:30
Cheese, does that include wind, both forward direction and behind the thrown ball? Also, does the weight of the ball get included?
02 Aug 2026 17:29:25
We have been monitoring Penrice for a while, and I believe we've spoken to the relevant parties and know what's required to get the deal done.
02 Aug 2026 17:36:30
John, Rommens then will need to work harder to get his place back then, no? Scally is 16, currently injured, and a bit of 1st team football I'd think. Penrice comes straight in and competes, and if Rommens isn't happy with competition he can be moved on.
02 Aug 2026 17:48:25
To anyone who has read all that and scrolled down this far, you deserve a medal.
02 Aug 2026 18:01:41
DavidB1966, I could agree more, he's 1 of the most exciting youth players we have had in years. Similar no nonsense style who can get forward quickly like Alan Hutton but on the left.
If he's not deemed reducer he should be loaned out and get Kazaridis in from Hearts.
02 Aug 2026 18:04:24
Name wrong again. ๐ณ๐
02 Aug 2026 18:05:29
Ah please don't go back to the start, RohlWithCheese, some of us have work in the morning.
02 Aug 2026 18:25:19
Why wouldn't we pay a couple of million for another left back? Penrice would be brought in to compete with Rommens, who quite honestly has not started this season very well. Rommens can't play every game and there will be plenty of minutes for both. We've just paid ยฃ3million for a back up centre back so what's the difference? There are priorities in other areas too, but we have no cover (I don't count an injured 16-year-old) for left back and we will need to do something in the next week or two.
There is talk of Celtic signing Ferry for a couple of million, why are they doing that when they have Tierney? It's because all teams need cover and we are no different.
02 Aug 2026 17:34:22
You haven't proven anything until you add all factors
02 Aug 2026 17:42:29
Rohl at least you got there eventually be hard for the person to reply to you when you can't even get the name right on multiple posts ๐.
Also stop embarrassing yourself with AI crap
02 Aug 2026 18:45:13
What you talking about. ๐ ๐คฃ
02 Aug 2026 19:40:44
Iron, agree re Scaly, if not injured he would be out on loan.
02 Aug 2026 19:42:48
Let's not turn this forum into a AI slop thread. Jesus Christ.
02 Aug 2026 19:59:07
1.4 million apparently is what AEK Athens want as that's what they paid, so the report I saw said it's a no brainer as he will give Rommens competition.